PoEHUD Overlay Updated

[UnDrac]

Dont even hook the game then. Where is the need? You could draw the overlay with an other external tool oder even use Windows AERO or not? So would FOR REAL JUST READ MEMORY or am i wrong? I mean, you are hooking the renderer to draw the overlay ingame right?

Wrongitty wrong ... The overlay you see is actually a different program alltogether ... why do you think you're required to run it in a window or a borderless one?
Ever tabbed out to notice the HUD doesn't show up anymore till you bring POEHUD's task into the foreground and then tab back into POE?

Everything POEHUD does is it simply reads the process's memory and interprets it for you in a nicely done overlay on top of the game window.

[Jaerin]

No offense, but the people in charge of anti-cheat at GGG are going to have a field day with you.

It is clear you have not looked at what the anti-cheat does because it can readily detect the HUD without confusing it for some other legitimate program.

You know as well as I do that GGG doesn't give a shit about me. You obviously don't seem to remember that I'm not some idiot spouting off shit that I don't know. I'm probably the one person who threw PoEHUD in the face of GGG, in a small hopes to get them to start listening to the changes people want from the hacks, by doing an AMA on Reddit about PoEHUD. Not banned. Here's how little they care. Just two days ago I called out some idiot in PoE Global chat for trying to say that Etup was a loser for trying to pretend that he doesn't use an AHK autoquit script. Even though Etup openly links his script in his Twitch profile. The conversation turned to PoEHUD for whatever reason. My ingame name is Jaerin, I admitted to being a former mod on ownedcore, including the fact that I'm the owner of this thread, and that I did the AMA on Reddit. All in open Global in game. Then the guy continues his stupid rants and a chat mod banned him from global for it. What happened to me? Nothing because they don't give a shit.

You know as well as I do that there is a huge amount that GGG could be doing to not just "detect" the hack, but to break it outright so that the few advantageous features wouldn't even work anymore. That's not even talking about the detection they could make for this and far more detrimental programs like the read-only bots that exist as well. I was simply stating that in almost any game there is a hardline drawn in the sand that if you hook/detour/modify memory, without some kind of system in place to fool the application into thinking that you haven't, you are infinitely more likely to get detected.

[leryss]

programs like this shouldn't even be a bannable offense, after all you are just reading the game's public memory

[Jaerin]

programs like this shouldn't even be a bannable offense, after all you are just reading the game's public memory

I wouldn't say that, you are creating an advantage over those that are just playing the game without the hack. It is not unreasonable for them to have rules to try and create a fair and balanced playing environment. I mean I think that using maphacks and such in races is pretty cheap. If you are going to compete then compete. Otherwise you are just ruining the experience for other people who feel like it is an honest race, because there is no denying that you have a distinct advantage over them. There is whole other arguments to be made on whether race rewards should be given to only those that can nolife as many races as possible, but that's completely separate.

I've always been on the fence about the level of hacks that are available and the impact that they have on other players gameplay. Some I think have a lot more positive impact than some people even realize, like some bots. People say that bots automatically ruin an economy and things like that, but I'd like to see what the WoW AH looked like if everything had to actually be hand farmed. Crafting materials would be outrageously expensive and never available in any level of significant quantity.

[Astorxxx]

I wouldn't say that, you are creating an advantage over those that are just playing the game without the hack. It is not unreasonable for them to have rules to try and create a fair and balanced playing environment. I mean I think that using maphacks and such in races is pretty cheap. If you are going to compete then compete. Otherwise you are just ruining the experience for other people who feel like it is an honest race, because there is no denying that you have a distinct advantage over them. There is whole other arguments to be made on whether race rewards should be given to only those that can nolife as many races as possible, but that's completely separate.

I've always been on the fence about the level of hacks that are available and the impact that they have on other players gameplay. Some I think have a lot more positive impact than some people even realize, like some bots. People say that bots automatically ruin an economy and things like that, but I'd like to see what the WoW AH looked like if everything had to actually be hand farmed. Crafting materials would be outrageously expensive and never available in any level of significant quantity.

C'moon , advantage ? You're tooserious about the game in which no one in this world can not make money, at least not serious money.

I ****n cannot.

Nah, what kinda of advantage ?

Even with seeing mobs, zoomhack, maphack , etc game is still hard.... and Im definetelly not a ****n noob. Many ranged mobs have huge range, see you and hit very hard from nowhere, especially Warband, not to mention HC. Game is totaly unbalanced, Merciless act IV insane. Leveling is pretty ****ed up and you can die no matter, using it or no.
Only thing thay can give CREDIT TO YOU is ITEM FILTER.
Thanx to masivelly use of your POEHUD thay " invented " and include part of your hack - item filter. I've been discussing such thing 2 years ago with my friends, couse it was ****n anoying with all theese items on the

Poe filter is your CREDIT not theirs.

What ****n advantage ? U mean using theese cheats in events ??? What harm can do this to anyone ? Man , I don't give **** about winning T-SHIRT in theese events, and since noone can EARN MONEY playing , thay also don't give a **** for most people using it.

Can thay detect theese hacks ? Anyone who claims opposite is a complete fool and totaly ignorant idiot. Of course thay can. Will thay do a ban for ? Well that's another storry, since thousands of players use this. Most of time thay don't ban, couse thay're adult and professional people in game industry , thay earn money keeping us there, and thay're not a bunch of ****n kids lurkin' online poor cheaters that cannot do any harm to their product. Or unless we can do a kinda of harm.

Regarding the rules ??

Of course there are rules, Rules are ****n everywhere, .... RULES ARE ALSO TO BE BROKEN....and Im a ****n anarchist.

I don't ****n care.... Let them ban me and what than ?

Life goes on..


Cheers

[Jaerin]

Actually one of the biggest advantages to races is that you can see the location and the size of packs well ahead of others with PoEHUD alone. Make your exp grind more efficient. Then if you add a maphack on top of that you can now see the map layout well ahead of everyone else giving you the ability to speed through a map faster. It is not an insta-win button by any means, but in races those kinds of advantages are huge to the people who are actually competing. The VAST majority of players are going to be completely unaffected by any of these hacks. As much as people think they affect them, they don't. It's like gay marriage, you may judge your marriage based on other people's actions, but the honest truth is the only reason it matters is because you think it matters. The unfortunate problem is that you can't prevent someone from using it in one instance and not another. There are people who want to take the races seriously, I am not one of them, and it is unfortunate that they can't have a truly fair playing field. The streamers at least know they have visual proof they aren't using these aids, but those that don't stream you never know.

GGG likely won't do anything unless the masses get cranky and start complaining.

[ocslappy]

I wouldn't say that, you are creating an advantage....

I dont know about that... Wouldnt that also imply that people with better specs than others have an "unfair" advantage?
Not getting huge FPS drops is a advantage, having a bigger display (shows more, like a mini-zoomhack~)..

Fair play dosent exist.

[lok0919]

For those playing TW server you can use this PoeHub-Tw_20150730
I merged the GARENA CIS patch from smad2005 and it works at TW server

credit goes to smad2005

[Jaerin]

I dont know about that... Wouldnt that also imply that people with better specs than others have an "unfair" advantage?
Not getting huge FPS drops is a advantage, having a bigger display (shows more, like a mini-zoomhack~)..

Fair play dosent exist.

Please stop trying to find reasons to disagree with me. That wasn't what I was implying at all. I even stated that there was a whole other discussion about whether race rewards should go to nolifers or not. I simply stated that using PoEHUD or maphacks is in no way NOT giving you an unfair advantage. That has nothing to do with whether there are other factors that make the race "unfair". By your very examples the same could be said about an athlete's equipment or manager or any other number of methods used to prepare for an event. Fair in a race doesn't mean that everyone is given the exact same thing and the best person wins. Part of the race is dealing with all that crap and if you have a potato computer and shit internet connection then you weren't really prepared to compete. That doesn't make it any more fair for you to use something like PoEHUD or a maphack to some how make-up for your shit preparation.

The point I was making was simply that PoEHUD and other hacks give an unfair advantage in races and that is the ONLY place it really make any difference what-so-ever. So if racing doesn't matter to you this conversation is totally irrelevant.

[ocslappy]

Please stop trying to find reasons to disagree with me

I was agreeing with you, PoEHuD/Maphacks is a advantage over people that do not use it.
Was just pointing out that the world is not fair, some people will have advantage over others, one way or another.

[stephanepare]

You know as well as I do that GGG doesn't give a shit about me. You obviously don't seem to remember that I'm not some idiot spouting off shit that I don't know. I'm probably the one person who threw PoEHUD in the face of GGG, in a small hopes to get them to start listening to the changes people want from the hacks, by doing an AMA on Reddit about PoEHUD. Not banned. Here's how little they care. Just two days ago I called out some idiot in PoE Global chat for trying to say that Etup was a loser for trying to pretend that he doesn't use an AHK autoquit script. Even though Etup openly links his script in his Twitch profile. The conversation turned to PoEHUD for whatever reason. My ingame name is Jaerin, I admitted to being a former mod on ownedcore, including the fact that I'm the owner of this thread, and that I did the AMA on Reddit. All in open Global in game. Then the guy continues his stupid rants and a chat mod banned him from global for it. What happened to me? Nothing because they don't give a shit.

You know as well as I do that there is a huge amount that GGG could be doing to not just "detect" the hack, but to break it outright so that the few advantageous features wouldn't even work anymore. That's not even talking about the detection they could make for this and far more detrimental programs like the read-only bots that exist as well. I was simply stating that in almost any game there is a hardline drawn in the sand that if you hook/detour/modify memory, without some kind of system in place to fool the application into thinking that you haven't, you are infinitely more likely to get detected.

I thought they explicitly banned poehud users during the laptop race, saying they knew about it and might bring more bans in sneaky ways in the future? It's the one thing that's keeping me from installing it again until someone confirms AC behavior. The only thing I read about the AC in this thread is someone saying they're not sure what the changes have been to the AC. That makes me very wary.

As for unlikeliness, i've seen enough read only addons banned in D2...

[enaf3n]

I'm probably the one person who threw PoEHUD in the face of GGG, in a small hopes to get them to start listening to the changes people want from the hacks, by doing an AMA on Reddit about PoEHUD. Not banned.

Claiming to be a murderer is not the same as being proven to be a murderer. They aren't going to ban someone because that person claims to be a cheater.

In any case, I agree with you (and HvC) that maybe they don't care about HUD users. Maybe. But that is the only thing stopping them from detecting the HUD, because from a technical standpoint it is no more difficult for them now than detecting a maphack. That's all I was trying to say.

[escequi]

Claiming to be a murderer is not the same as being proven to be a murderer. They aren't going to ban someone because that person claims to be a cheater.

In any case, I agree with you (and HvC) that maybe they don't care about HUD users. Maybe. But that is the only thing stopping them from detecting the HUD, because from a technical standpoint it is no more difficult for them now than detecting a maphack. That's all I was trying to say.

They banned some botters yersterday and 1'm pretty sure ex1le-bot doesn't 1nject anyth1ng just reads memory

[enaf3n]

They banned some botters yersterday and 1'm pretty sure ex1le-bot doesn't 1nject anyth1ng just reads memory

Which is exactly my point.

[Jaerin]

But were they banned because there was new AC that detected Exile-bot or are they banning due to people reporting bots, or perhaps them analyzing things like # of zones run. There is clear evidence that GGG makes decisions about what they deem acceptable 3rd party tools and what are not. Even if they don't always publicly advertise it.

We will know after the fact that PoEHUD was detected and that's why people were banned. I never insinuated at all that PoEHUD was somehow immune or undetected from banning.