PoEHUD Overlay Updated

[henkiedemol]

I was pointed to this thread because my Buyers thought I had lost my farm in this ban wave. Nope. Then I read game_Playah's posts and loled.
game_Playah, until you prove or get your "points" into actual working facts. We take what you say with a grain of salt lol. You need to think realistically. GGG is in New Zealand. How does US laws work half way(welp, maybe 1/3 way across the globe? It doesn't, unless you are dealing with cyber crime of the state, or drug related. You will be wasting money that you do not have, you are a speck in the sand, that sandcastle doesn't care about you. The Devs of this program are no way at fault, they have stated numerous times the consequences, not only that, the whole dam project is open source.. lol.

darkblue u played silkroad by any chance?

[abacksloth]

Yeah I'm relatively certain he doesn't actually work (or worked) at a law firm.

Or if he does, I definitely wouldn't hire any of them.

[game_Playah]

Then they didn't properly read through the ToS and how each clause correlates with each other.

I won't bother posting the wall of text here, but read the sections regarding Rights (as above), License, Points and Points Cancellation.

The relevant segments are that the License is roughly equivalent to a lease, which they can terminate at any time and thus anything "you" (ie, they, by association of owning the account) have accrued in that time is also theirs to terminate or remove. Like being evicted and then repossessed.

Pursuant to that, you are not, in fact, purchasing MTX's. You are purchasing GGG Points, which you can then redeem in the in-game store. The poignant segment of note is:

"in the event of the cancellation of your Member Account any unused Points you currently hold will automatically be deemed to also be cancelled."

In short, although this isn't quite an appropriate analogy it's the closest I can think of at the moment, it's like renting a car. You pay for the privilege of driving the car and you are held responsible for all expenses related to the rental of the vehicle but at no point do you actually own the vehicle.

Relevant to the terms of use versus contract argument, a legitimate terms of service/use document is legally-binding, and thus effectively contractual, and any violation of a ToS is thus considered breach of contract. Look up Schnabel v Trilegiant Corp.

First off, I'm dismissing out of hand all that you wrote, since you can't be arsed to even discover what it is you are commenting on. ggg calls it a "terms of use" not service. So, you start off with a fallacy and it gets worse from there.

Second, here's a synopsis of Express Guarantee, one of the three fundamental aspects of a basic contract, and how the law deals with things from wikipedia
quote In contract law, a warranty means a guarantee or promise which provides assurance by one party to the other party that specific facts or conditions are true or will happen. This factual guarantee may be enforced regardless of materiality which allows for a legal remedy if that promise is not true or followed.
[Athough] some warranties run with a product so that a manufacturer makes the warranty to a consumer with which the manufacturer has no direct contractual relationship, a warranty [therefore] may be express or implied, depending on whether the warranty is explicitly provided (typically written) and the jurisdiction. Warranties may also state that a particular fact is true at one point in time or that the fact will be continue into the future (a "promissory" or continuing warranty).

So, what this equates to is fair dealing, that a promise, and an express purpose and guarantee made (which is what a contract is, by definition) that something (be it gg points, Steam bux, MTX, cosmetics, pets, stash tabs etc, are purchased. I can guarantee you that your having purchased "ggg points" is never an end-game) having been purchased has a use, is designed for that purpose, will be useful for that purpose, and isn't designed to immediately stop being useful, so that my only remedy is to purchase more of the product or service to finish what I was doing.

You'll notice the wiki I referred to lists jurisdictional limitation on contract law verbiage. Where I live, a finding in my favor would then subtend the US atty for my district taking over the case.

As for your other contention that it's a lease, it's nothing of the sort. A valid efficacious lease requires a list of property/ies being leased by name, and a beginning/commencement and end dates for said lease, and an amount that is remitted as consideration that at the end of the lease, the leaser would not expect back. The fundamental aspect of trade and mercantile endeavours is the exchange, permanently of goods, and the deliverance of a service, to which a subsequent reversal of process could not be performed legally.

You make a bunch of other fallacious comments as do the other jackasses in this thread, suffice to say The Uniform Commercial Code of the US takes care of these sorts of issues, and "terms of use" or service, etc have been found not to be efficacious or enforceable all over the US.

For your perusal, Enforceability Of Online Terms Of Use: Guidance From The Ninth Circuit - Corporate/Commercial Law - United States

[Resignedgod]

What you state, or attempted to state but didn't know what you mean to say, is sorta correct. You MIGHT find a judge who will grant ggg license to make some on-the-fly adjustments to how the game is run, and if people are hurting sales or flanagling the system sure, what you wrote and what is referred to would cover such a scenario.

In the country I live in, the good Ole US of A, we have federal laws that cover how you deal with things that are purchased. And I guarantee you the $800 I spent on tabs and MTX weren't actually given to me by the good ****s, er folks of ggg, but rather, taken out of my bank account, I'm going to tell you conclusively, every lawyer and judge in the country would agree with me that yes, I bought those things, to be used on the account I created called "Pl0zNoBannerino".

They banned me, because I don't have another account, and therefore my person, by typing the information that I used 2 minutes before the Bannerino took place has been prevented from accessing the $800, or $820 can't be positive actually, from enjoying that $800.

Terms of usage aren't contracts. They are, as you and agree terms of use. Not contracts. My law firm that I worked at agree with me, that buying something, and ggg accepting payment, means I own it. There is no way to lease or rent or peer through a window at MTX you put on lay-a-way.

Yea, it's definitely time to stop supporting GGG. It's 2015, they don't have even basic guild features or functionality, no trade system, and I'm 100% sure, and by 100% sure I mean I can almost prove, that GGG employees work with Ventor and AXN to enable and facilitate RMT and that the "unknown" recipes are, indeed known to Ventor and AXN and their guilds.

GGG are hyper sketchy, can't spend any time making guilds functionable, or add a toggle-off for rain and ground shit, can't streamline to get rid of cruel difficulty, can't be arsed to ban people who use Nazi/Hitler references in chat every minutes, the list of shit the game is lacking is the longest in the industry, and on top of that, only about 1 in 600-1,000 items you find are remotely usable, let alone finding upgrades or items that allow you to spec into a fun build.

The game is complete shit, and they most likely are doing this on purpose.

PLUS if you watch twitch, you can see streamers peer over to a second monitor every 3-4 seconds, obviously with a HUD over up on that other monitor.

The game and the devs are complete crap. "Oh hai, gais... just to let you know this is an announcement about the fact that soom (TM) we have have an announcement on how you can buy the New MTX", even if yes, there is little substantive content, fixes, upgrades, concerns listened to, or new features added (cough cough, I'm looking at you, trading system).

GGG on every level as a game company are shit, and they only have themselves to blame when the game crashes and burns as the new Diablo-inspired (but much better coded) games come out over the next 9 months.

You are one delusional idiot. You won't get shit back, and if the game and company are so bad why are you playing their game in the first place? You hacked, you got caught, you cry like a bitch. Welcome to reality, you're not some special snowflake GGG will give a shit about or any lawyers you talk to. Own up to your own decisions and quit being so entitled because you're hurt about getting caught.
Don't bother replying to me since I really don't give a shit about your pre-law knowledge on any of this, no one will take your case and if by some small chance an idiot does it'll get laughed out. Grow up.

[enaf3n]

I never did understand all of this "oh my god they can't legally do this" crap that comes up every time there is a ban wave. Honestly, man up, accept the fact that you were breaking the rules and now you are facing the consequences of those actions. If you lost hundreds of dollars of purchased items and MTXs on your account, that sucks, but that is entirely on you and not on the game developers.

As for the legality, if you purchase tickets to see a concert but then get thrown out for breaking the rules, you don't get a refund then either. You didn't purchase physical goods with this game as there is no physical copy and it is online only (requiring continued use of GGG servers to play). It is virtually the same scenario.

[cavewoman]

First off, I'm dismissing out of hand all that you wrote, since you can't be arsed to even discover what it is you are commenting on. ggg calls it a "terms of use" not service. So, you start off with a fallacy and it gets worse from there.

Second, here's a synopsis of Express Guarantee, one of the three fundamental aspects of a basic contract, and how the law deals with things from wikipedia
quote In contract law, a warranty means a guarantee or promise which provides assurance by one party to the other party that specific facts or conditions are true or will happen. This factual guarantee may be enforced regardless of materiality which allows for a legal remedy if that promise is not true or followed.
[Athough] some warranties run with a product so that a manufacturer makes the warranty to a consumer with which the manufacturer has no direct contractual relationship, a warranty [therefore] may be express or implied, depending on whether the warranty is explicitly provided (typically written) and the jurisdiction. Warranties may also state that a particular fact is true at one point in time or that the fact will be continue into the future (a "promissory" or continuing warranty).

So, what this equates to is fair dealing, that a promise, and an express purpose and guarantee made (which is what a contract is, by definition) that something (be it gg points, Steam bux, MTX, cosmetics, pets, stash tabs etc, are purchased. I can guarantee you that your having purchased "ggg points" is never an end-game) having been purchased has a use, is designed for that purpose, will be useful for that purpose, and isn't designed to immediately stop being useful, so that my only remedy is to purchase more of the product or service to finish what I was doing.

You'll notice the wiki I referred to lists jurisdictional limitation on contract law verbiage. Where I live, a finding in my favor would then subtend the US atty for my district taking over the case.

As for your other contention that it's a lease, it's nothing of the sort. A valid efficacious lease requires a list of property/ies being leased by name, and a beginning/commencement and end dates for said lease, and an amount that is remitted as consideration that at the end of the lease, the leaser would not expect back. The fundamental aspect of trade and mercantile endeavours is the exchange, permanently of goods, and the deliverance of a service, to which a subsequent reversal of process could not be performed legally.

You make a bunch of other fallacious comments as do the other jackasses in this thread, suffice to say The Uniform Commercial Code of the US takes care of these sorts of issues, and "terms of use" or service, etc have been found not to be efficacious or enforceable all over the US.

For your perusal, Enforceability Of Online Terms Of Use: Guidance From The Ninth Circuit - Corporate/Commercial Law - United States

Please get a lawyer on this and let us know how it goes. I bet you won't. Also I have heard of them moving MTX to a new account if you spent a bunch. The new diablo stuff for season 4 looks pretty cool so I'll check that out in December. Until then I'll **** around in Marvel Heroes.

[Mapriea]

The whole idea of getting your money back after cheating and breaking the rules is laughable, but I honestly don't care about that.

I'm curious if it's possible to alter the program and have it bypass the detection again? Is it a simple fix or is it game over for PoEHUD?

[alvarorm88]

Please get a lawyer on this and let us know how it goes. I bet you won't. Also I have heard of them moving MTX to a new account if you spent a bunch. The new diablo stuff for season 4 looks pretty cool so I'll check that out in December. Until then I'll **** around in Marvel Heroes.

where u've heard that?

[doragon]

I'm curious if it's possible to alter the program and have it bypass the detection again? Is it a simple fix or is it game over for PoEHUD?

Possible, e.g with disassembling / assembling of poehud in runtime with changing modules name, assemblies.

[Mapriea]

Possible, e.g with disassembling / assembling of poehud in runtime with changing modules name, assemblies.

Fantastic.

I'll eagerly check this thread then as often as I can, thanks.

[enaf3n]

The whole idea of getting your money back after cheating and breaking the rules is laughable, but I honestly don't care about that.

I'm curious if it's possible to alter the program and have it bypass the detection again? Is it a simple fix or is it game over for PoEHUD?

It is possible to fix the issue that allows the anti-cheat to detect the HUD right now. However, in my opinion, it is fighting a losing battle as it is written with technology that really isn't designed to run applications that want to remain hidden.

[Treasure_Box]

It is possible to fix the issue that allows the anti-cheat to detect the HUD right now. However, in my opinion, it is fighting a losing battle as it is written with technology that really isn't designed to run applications that want to remain hidden.

Yeah i knew that in its current state of being open source that it wouldn't be any sort of challenge for GGG to go grab the source and build a defense for it. Moving forward, POEhud might need to become closed sourced sadly.

Although with tools like IDA and alike, i don't really see that stopping GGG from from figuring out how the tool would be interacting with the game. Really, if there is a more lasting solution, it is beyond my current scope of understanding of what needs to be done.

Sadly too, the things that are not really cheating, like the extra information about weapon tiers and stat ranges would be nice if they were just in the game to begin with, but as previous responses from GGG have indicated its likely not going to happen. I know there was a autoHotkey script that did this (albeit less attractive), in fact i think it was the starting point fro-witch the item tool tip came from.

[enaf3n]

Yeah i knew that in its current state of being open source that it wouldn't be any sort of challenge for GGG to go grab the source and build a defense for it. Moving forward, POEhud might need to become closed sourced sadly.

Although with tools like IDA and alike, i don't really see that stopping GGG from from figuring out how the tool would be interacting with the game. Really, if there is a more lasting solution, it is beyond my current scope of understanding of what needs to be done.

Sadly too, the things that are not really cheating, like the extra information about weapon tiers and stat ranges would be nice if they were just in the game to begin with, but as previous responses from GGG have indicated its likely not going to happen. I know there was a autoHotkey script that did this (albeit less attractive), in fact i think it was the starting point fro-witch the item tool tip came from.

It could be worth extracting the non-cheating features (like those you mentioned) and creating a separate application which has just those innocent features in it. As we have seen, they don't ban for things that they don't consider to be cheating, such as scripts that don't perform more than one action. Obviously they feel that some functionality in the HUD crosses the line, so I doubt they would ban people for using a separate program with only the simple, safe features.

[HvC]

not necesserely closed source but we could find a decent middle ground in my opinion, keeping the HUD modular and extendible is possibly the nicest part of it, In my opinion we should keep it that way however I think from now on anti-AC features might need to become closed source, as in not included repo but only in the actually built exes. I started writing some really messy stuff to accomplish this yesterday but it's an arms race I can't dream of winning so I don't know if I'll make anything I code available. Since non runtime and runtime encryption or at least mutation is the way to go and open sourcing that would be pretty much shooting myself in the leg.

[Slayer418]

Would using Hyde.dll to hide the poehud process make detection harder?