PoEHUD Overlay Updated

[game_Playah]

This is also what I am most curious about. I guess the more relevant question though will end up instead being... if poehud is confirmed detected then, what could GGG have done recently to all of a sudden no longer fear the repercussions of overstepping the major user/client privacy boundary that has always protected us in years past against other similar major companies. Did they find a legal loophole/exception that protects them or gives them permission? Do they actually believe that punishing us for gathering up a bunch of info that they willingly send to our clients is morally right??? I mean its on the same level as like... if they were to intentionally start giving us full minimap data unencrypted on purpose just to see if anyone finds it and tries to take a look at it so that they can call you a cheater.

But ya, ban people for reading memory? Of course its extremely easy for any company to do if they choose to, but ban us for reading it instead of just stopping sending it to us in plain sight unencrypted??? I really will feel ashamed for them if any of this is true.

Another obvious example... if you dont want poehud reading what type of strongbox is in a zone, just make them all use the same or randomized textures, or just have our client always preload the other ~9 different strongbox resources for fun, or just dont preload them FFS...... my parents who know jack about computers even understood and agreed with these alternative solutions when I presented the scenario over dinner... which is why i just cant believe that especially a company like GGG would choose to ignore those solutions and take the other path.

NZ law doesn't apply in the US, and most likely not another country. IF you buy something, all the states have a "good-faith" clause that is written that guarantees usage and usability. I'm not sure that NZ doesn't have a similar law, put into practice, I can do what I want with my computer, period. It's not a violation of the law where I live to download HUDs or other things I find on ownedcore, period. END OF STORY. How ggg can determine in their little office they can take my money, then prevent my from using and using well the products and things I bought with real-life money, would not seem to me to be legal.

then we get to a really bad issue. How do they ever decided among the 5,000,000 accounts which used a HUD? The only answer is they scanned a computer that has poe.exe on it. I'm not working for the federal lawyers, but this would seem to be a pretty severe violation of all sorts of laws here in the US. Running stuff on my computer, even if it's for a few seconds and is like 2 megs or whatev, is NOT cool with me, how do I know the chinese guy they hire to develop the code didn't insert a wurm or keylogger?

Huh, how do we know? This seems to me like a lawsuit on it's way.

Bad day to be ggg.

[bcz]

Yes thats pretty much everything I just said ^^ Yep, its the same as if you worked at a telephone company and started wire-tapping people without a warrant... just because nothing is there to physically stop you from wiretapping doesnt mean you should obviously lol

[tvinki]

not all banned for hud, mb some version or options bad and detectable
or some 1065165 moves like create new instance

[enaf3n]

Had to come back from hiatus because I heard a rumor about this.

Yes, I can confirm it is detected and so far as I can tell the detection method does not break any laws.

[bcz]

Had to come back from hiatus because I heard a rumor about this.

Yes, I can confirm it is detected and so far as I can tell the detection method does not break any laws.

So you would consider wiretapping people without a warrant legal? Installing hidden surveillance cameras in peoples houses and then using the video as evidence to arrest them? Sure you can try to do those things but I cant promise it wont backfire on you...

[enaf3n]

So you would consider wiretapping people without a warrant legal? Installing hidden surveillance cameras in peoples houses and then using the video as evidence to arrest them? Sure you can try to do those things but I cant promise it wont backfire on you...

That's called a straw man argument. The scenarios you mentioned are not even remotely the same as what we have here.

The detection method used for this is so specific that it, in fact, couldn't possibly communicate any personal information. It abuses an oversight made by the HUD contributors when they tried to add in their anti-cheat protection.

[stephanepare]

I was banned for hud, that's just too bad, im not playing without it. Thanks for the year of solid use though, you guys made me enjoy the game 10 times more than I'd have enjoyed it otherwise!

[enaf3n]

Also just going to put this here from earlier in the thread.

The more you guys tout that they aren't going to do anything, the more likely it is that they will. Their past actions with the anti-cheat are evidence of this.

[qoika]

I was using official version before, and then the latest vmv version from comments, and I wasn't neither banned nor warned. Maybe it was some functionality I wasn't using with HUD.

[bcz]

I was using official version before, and then the latest vmv version from comments, and I wasn't neither banned nor warned. Maybe it was some functionality I wasn't using with HUD.

Ya ive been doing everything i can to TRY to get banned for 30 min on new account and havent been yet. I am also using that version of hud. Anyone who has been banned mind sharing like how quickly it happend for them or posting your version of hud for me to try or something

[vmv]

Ya ive been doing everything i can to TRY to get banned for 30 min on new account and havent been yet. I am also using that version of hud. Anyone who has been banned mind sharing like how quickly it happend for them or posting your version of hud for me to try or something

Maybe they banned the behavior too along with the hud users. I don't think they didn't developed something so far to track the players behavior like spamming strongboxes/masters like crazy.
I'm still not banned yet, and the reason could be that i didn't opened any strongboxes or killed master in this event because i was just testing things. But before this, i always always played with the hud and spammed everything non-stop.
As for a quick example...if you farm a master in a raw of 10+ times in a very short time, to have his hideout, it's most likely that you could been tracked down.

[bcz]

Yes those things would make sense as ways of hunting for hackers but correct me if im wrong but sounds like youre just guessing. I'm pretty sure people who have been banned were just running it as normal, hoping for some of them to give us some insight

[vmv]

Yes those things would make sense as ways of hunting for hackers but correct me if im wrong but sounds like youre just guessing. I'm pretty sure people who have been banned were just running it as normal, hoping for some of them to give us some insight

Ofc i'm guessing, ... why some players got banned and why others not, this is what i am curious about.
Right now i'm online with 3 versions of the hud, the main one, the old one from doragon, and a version of mine , slightly modified. Just curious....

[bcz]

hmm maybe they only ban for a short time period... so that we cant easily figure these things out ^_^

[Parog]

Maper seems to have an answer on that.

I personally, just like every time I use a hack, made sure that I played as if I had a GM watching my every actions. If it was detection alone, I would be banned, and so would you. Unless they did like in the past, IIRC, and just pulse once to detect from everyone online at a certain point. Then those of us that weren't online at that moment are still safe.