[discussion thread] An'she's Legacy (previous WIP thread)

[Goshujinsama]

well i am glad to see i ain't the only one that thinks this way .. but i do think information like this should just go public in general .. i mean like i said real leecher wouldn't even know what to do with the information and the people that do will maby become better then anyone else and will be able to share there knowledge .., its no use just keeping it between a few peeps in my opinion.

and synth whats you msn ? then ill add ya .. normaly i always try to help soul with his problems and he helps me with some conversion tips and such .

ow and guys if the mini sample doesn't work for a texture in mywarcraftstudios then that will mean it also won't work in game and this means you did something wrong when saving your texture as a png .. becuase it seems that my photoshop is screwed up and doesn't save images properly anymore :/...

but i got the sword also working ingame .. pimp ass lvl 10 shaman xD .. and i also am starting to get a feeling that blizzard doesn't work with smoothing groups because everything i try to smooth turns up really weird in game (or just ignores it) while it looks great in the model viewer.)



well ill be getting a little sleep and then ill create the release thread

[^Xayo]

but i got the sword also working ingame .. pimp ass lvl 10 shaman xD .. and i also am starting to get a feeling that blizzard doesn't work with smoothing groups because everything i try to smooth turns up really weird in game (or just ignores it) while it looks great in the model viewer.)



well ill be getting a little sleep and then ill create the release thread

Yep i noticed that too, theres an easy way to checkout how it will look ingame in modelviewer:

in the topbar click on Lightning then on "Modellights only" and then uncheck/check "use true lightning" for once , that will show you iff the model will looked ****ed up ingame (atleast it works for me this way)


PS: I'd do a tutorial for the , i call them, "Modelling Guys" but you know, i dont know you really and i already saw a few people getting into Rep Craze, what i want to say is that MMowned is just not the place to build up trustworthy relationships imo, sure i got teached and sure someone helped but its just that i dont know who to trust on mmowned and who not since this a) a ****ing huge site b) a site with a rep system c)after all STILL and exploit and hack site. And if your search for hacks or exploits on the internet you are even less trustworthy for me I think. After all i will probably send out a few pms sometimes and they will contain a rapidshare link with a video ^^ Since making a Step by Step Picture tutorial would take like 4 pages to explain all
that shit ^^

EDIT2: btw really nice models, i liked how accurate you worked with the alpha layer stuff altho i dont like the great alpha plain on the shield _that_ much but it still looks awesome

[xtase2007]

i like that, nice work man

[Mondays]

It look's Egyptian, maybe a name like "Face of the Sands" or "Desert Coffin" (lol naruto) or something :P

I'd love to see that on the two Shattered Sun exalted shields.
Amazing job.

[^Xayo]

Goshu srry for raping your thread but i didnt want to open another one, if you think this doesnt belong in here, tell me and i wll open a seperate topic

I had a long talk with Souleater today about the whole thing and i pretty much told my point of view, i dont want to rewrite everything so i just post the Chatlog here:

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for tl;dr guys:

I have no problem teaching anyone, its just that someone has to consecrate this topic himself and then if he runs into problems ask me for hints! I will give hints but i just dont support the "Mindless Guide Following"
and "Spoonfeeding". If you do it yourself with a few hints it will lead you succes too, it will take longer but you will have learned MUCH more than just mindlessly following a guide, simply understanding nothing.

[synthblade]

Goshu srry for raping your thread but i didnt want to open another one, if you think this doesnt belong in here, tell me and i wll open a seperate topic

I had a long talk with Souleater today about the whole thing and i pretty much told my point of view, i dont want to rewrite everything so i just post the Chatlog here:

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for tl;dr guys:

I have no problem teaching anyone, its just that someone has to consecrate this topic himself and then if he runs into problems ask me for hints! I will give hints but i just dont support the "Mindless Guide Following"
and "Spoonfeeding". If you do it yourself with a few hints it will lead you succes too, it will take longer but you will have learned MUCH more than just mindlessly following a guide, simply understanding nothing.

I will say this:

I can completely understand you when you say that you dont wanna just give out all this information that took you so long to learn.
You want them to learn it themselves the way you had to, maybe even because nobody was there to help you with it...
Although that might sound fair in your opinion, but the fact remains the only thing that we know about it, is that it involves work with ***
(I've chosen to bleep out this 3 letter word since it is your wish to keep it secret, who am I to go and let everyone else know about it)

If you're in a mind set where you think people with abuse this then that's fine. Nobody's telling you that you have to release a guide. ~ On the other hand, like I mentioned above, that's the only thing anyone knows about it. You've PM'd me a link that had some details, but that's like trying to read chinese... I don't know what I'm looking at. X_x

Perhaps we're all just looking at this from other point of views, but if my last post came off as offensive, it wasn't. My frustration continually grows as there is NO real static information or guide that I can find on the internet about *** and how to understand it.

Since you're not prone to tell us about the particle system, would you help us how to better understand how to understand this instead? Perhaps if we know more about this, that will make potential for more then just adding particles.

[[Soul Eater]]

Meh and besides that, even tho you have worked hard for it, isn't that the same for us basically? We also worked hard for our models, and learing and understanding how to do it. Hell I bother if someone asks me a tutorial or guide or hints bout it, even tho I worked hard for it, it's just that I also started from the very beginning with just simple forms. It's just that if it weren't for either synth and goshu I would be still at the same level of Phygar's apple...^^

But yea your choice and your decision, I appreciate it then that you are willing to give us hints, but like I said in our convo, if we don't know where to start out then we just don't know how to deal with it. Just like synth, the page is just eye killing me ^^

[L'Lawliet]

dang man those are nice. and gratz on getting them to work ingame

[^Xayo]

I totally know that feeling of understanding nothing, i only understood something after many hourlong-sessions with schlumpf (thx for your patience with me )
Schlumpf once wrote a guide about hexediting *starts the forum search engine*

ahhh here it is:
http://www.mmowned.com/forums/model-...exediting.html

kinda complicated but gives a good overlook
If you got any questions or you are stuck feel free to PM(@synthblade,goshu&co)
Im about to go on vacation so it can take a while before i answer ^^.

[Goshujinsama]

well i get your point xayo i already got that from the start, but i just simple disagree.

if you would make a guide, yes people will probably get stuck because they haven't read curtain things or don't understand the fundamentals, but when that happens its up to the person to either get help or figure it out himself .. i spend 8 hours trying to solve my texture problem when i first tried to convert a model using a guide.. last week same thing for the shield. A guide in the end are just guidelines on how something works or is created. And without things like guides we would never be able to move forward .. its a way to archive information just look at it this way.

a history book - a guide
a instruction manual - a guide
a cooking recipe - a guide

and why are these thing there ?? so we don't have to figure out from the start what to do with things already invented so we can move on.

and ya things like "0x8f5f50" don't say much to me when follow a guide blindly and of course i will have to know em at some point but for me that comes when i encounter problems on that part when following the guide.

so i do see your point and wanting to see people spend time at trying to learn it themselves for there own benefits and for you as a way to "thrust" them that they are serious about it. But i know i am shitty at everything that involves some kind of Code, so i know that learning this myself from scratch will be a pain in the ass .. but you should also need to understand that the models i release involve YEARS of artistic development and hard work. so what if you spend 2 months on learning particles and so what if most people wouldn't understand your guide .. its all about those few people that do dig into the information after following a guide. i could also just keep my models secret and have give people hints on how to replicate it, but i don't think many people would want that. its just like you said "i can do my own models but i think it would be cooler if i use good models to play around with to create actually something useful than rather using my sucky modelled models to play around with" .. so basically you want to use models that are build on years of experience without breaking a sweat ... ain't that exactly the same as us asking for a tutorial on particles ?????

look for me i couldn't careless about rep .. i mean its not like i can use that on my CV when looking for a job. For me particles have artistic values. you and i will probably be never on same wave of how we think the particles should look on a model and that's why i want to be able to add particles myself.

So ya i would like a mindless guide because i can use that as guidelines against my lacking ability to understand coding languages. After that will have to come my own research on how to change these particles designs so they match my custom build models perfectly.

and if your worried about people taking credit for your research .. well that's not really necessary because the people you want to know that you where the original finder will know it .. and the rest won't matter anyways. just like a quote from the boondocks "a true artist won't have to sign is work becuase his work will do it for him".

[^Xayo]

I see your point goshu and after all this fizzle this morning i really dont care ^^...when im back from holidays i'll try to come up with a decent guide that not only covers particles, but hexediting itself...maybe on video if i manage to overcome my mic shyness...I know how hard modelling is to learn and i overreacted a bit i think, i just had this old "idealistic" thinking in my mind that people will work for theyre knowledge..kinda outdated i guess
greetz Xayo

PS: Funny how we always see each others point (if you see my point there)

[blukkiee]

That is one hell of a good job

[Goshujinsama]

heheh ya but seeing is not agreeing ;D so discussion is a must :P

but glad your willing to give a go at trying to create a tutorial about it all it would really help alot

and have a nice trip .. where your going anyways ?

[^Xayo]

east germany or "Middle of nowwhere" damn the streetlights get turned off at 11 in the night...no interwebz thar,time to think of some new creations

[Goshujinsama]

kekek .. i always go to a camping in Belgium :O

ow btw for those interested i have a photoshop file here that has a few screenshots of me modeling the face on the handle bar .. it doesn't have any explanations but what i mainly do is just keep extruding edges, cutting faces, and combining objects out of a plane until its the shape i want .. box modeling ftw :P

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