Mage/Rogue VS X/X Guide !

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Alright guys... i actually play in EU on BG9 and i reached @ the end of season3 2200 rating in 2vs2 with a rogue with only 300 resilience ,730 spell power and 9350 life;
What you must have on your action bar (AT LEAST KEYBINDED):
Frostbolt max rank and rank1, Frost nova rank 1, Cone of cold max rank and rank 1, Polymorph, Blink, Ice BLock, Summon Pet, PVP Trinket, racial, fire blast, Scorch, Spellsteal, Ice Lance, Counterspell, Ice Barrier,
AddOns ! (RED = YOU ABSOLUTELY NEED IT, GREEN = YOU CAN DON'T HAVE IT)
PROXIMO
CEnemyCastBar
NECB
FOCUS FRAME
TRINKETMENU
XPERL (For Action Bars)
MACROS
Personally i don't use many macros, but some are extremelly usefull , Those are :

Focus Sheep: /cast [target=focus] Polymorph(Rank 1)
Counterspell Focus: /cast [target=focus] Counterspell
Elemental + Icy Veins(Some Might prefer 2 differents keybindings)
/cast Summon Water Elemental
/stopcast
/Cast Icy Veins

Elemental + Elemental Frost Nova:
/cast Summon Water Elemental
/stopcast
/click PetActionButton5 NOTE(Replace 5 with the number where u have the nova of the pet on his action bar)
/petpassive

Sometimes having pet passive is better, just send it to attack to the target u want to kill...
The Setup:
Differently from many setups, this setup will surely need a high amount of Win-Loss, because of the anti-setup u can easily find like, Lock Druid|Druid Rogue, possible to beat but very very hard.
Example: Lock Druid might have 90-4
Example: Mage Rogue will have 180-94
The setup works by doing a burst dps (done by shatter-combo) on the focus target while the rogue tries to get the target stunned, letting mage cast frostbolt without the LOS problem, all while one of the target is snared,sheeped,blinded....

How To play VS Other setups and Mirror:



Druid Warrior(EASY): Mage Opens on warrior, getting it to 50% and causing the druid to exit stealth to heal him, rogue must stay in stealth and get asap the druid when he exits stealth don't letting him putting up HOTs on himself,
As soon as rogue INCS, mage frost novas the warrior, if he can, shoot a frostbolt to druid and then sheep the warrior(Be careful with spel reflects :P) If the warrior is good he won't trinket, while the rogue stuns the druid, the mage must keep dpsing him and when the druids is kidneyed, SHATTERcombo him, when u get him around 25% PRE-COUNTERSPELL to don't let him Istant Healing Touch.
BY the way sheep again the warrior, then frostnova, CONE OF COLD RANK 1, and if the warrior goes on rogue, tell the rogue to blind the warrior, once he's blinded he'll surely trinket, so frost nova and make your rogue vanish and re-open on druid
Shaman Warrior(EASY): Let the rogue go near the shaman, then Mage INcs by frost novaing the warrior and sheeping it while the rogue opens on the shaman.
Mage Must SPellsteal istantly EARTH SHIELD and BLoodlust when the shaman use it, USe shatter combo on Kidney SHot and pay attention @ casting frostbolt when the shaman is not stunned (if he's good he will earthshock rank1 you), Control as vs WAR DRUID the Warrior and keep pressure on the shaman till he goes to the 20-25 % then Counterspell him to prevent istant if he has not already used it.
Obviously you must decide if or not COUNTERSPELL on a Spell Cast, or save the counterspell for the Pre-Istant COunterspell.
Warrior Paladin(NORMAL-DIFFICULT) THis match may vary a lot, there are two possibilities, Focussing Warrior(Don't do if he's very equipped) or Focussing the Paladin while keep sheeping + NOVAing the warrior.
I'll explain the 2nd one......
Start By SAPping the Paladin , mage get ahead, sheep warrior, and shatter combo the paladin while the rogue cheap shot him, if the shattercombo crits the paladin will be around 60% life.... ISTANTLY spellsteal Blessing of Freedom,Keep pressure on the paladin and keep sheeping and CCing Warrior, Once warrior is immune to sheep, blind it, Meanwhile the paladin must have Divine SHielded , Rogue Vanished, Mage Ice blocks....
Wait 10Seconds, and repeat as before.
TIP (If the Rogue is focussed tell him to EVASION istantly and not give back to warrior so he won't get hamstringet),(Stun the more possible the paladin so he won't dispel the sheep,and if u keep pressure he won't have time to dispel...)
PRIEST ENHASHAMAN(Rare Setup, DIFFICULT--): Start by sapping the shaman so he can't be dispelled otherwise sheep him, and istantly go on the priest max dps him, The shaman will usually go for the mage, mage must kite him (remember the shaman has 50% duration to snare and can go 40% faster (ghost wolf)) keep sheeping it and blinding it like warrior in PALA\WARRIOR. The difficulty of this setup varies by the Skill of the mage of KITEing the Shaman.
PRIEST(DISCI) ROGUE(MEDIUM): They will try to sap mage and keep dispelling ice barrier and other buffs, if this happens then your rogue must be very fast @ cheap shotting the rogue when he attacks the Mage, (TIP FOR ROGUE: Use shadowstep, as the enemy rogue can easily do 3000-4000 damage on the mage in 3-4 witht he help of the priest's mind blast and dots)
While the rogue is stunned sheep the priest (fakecast one time to prevent shadowword death) and when kidneyed, shattercombo enemy rogue, if a shattercombo is succesfull the match is 60% win, as the priest will trinket and you will blind him.
(TIP) : If the rogue vanishes without a rupture on himself, Go for the priest and don't let him throw any mending,renew,flash heal. If the priest goes 40% kill it, if not go back for the rogue that must be around 20-30%.
PRIEST(DISCI) LOCK(HARD+): This is a very hard setup to face, the only way you can kill this setup is to start by sapping lock, sheeping priest, and stunning pet and killing the pet, the mage(when the pet is dead) must be very fast @ counterspelling fel domination and must start spellstealing like a mad, while the rogue (at the end of the counterspell) must keep stunned the warlock to prevent summon.
If the lock summons another felhunter, you are f'ked, just try to go for the lock and don't mind anymore about the pet as you will die of dots if u lose time killing 2nd pet, If the lock summons a void then switch to the priest and sheep the warlock.
If u dispelled fel domination just sheep and blind + FocusCounterspell priest and it will be easy win focussing down the lock that will go down like butter melting in a oven.
PRIEST(DISCI) HUNTER(MARKS)(EASY-MEDIUM): This doesn't require a lot of work, Keep sheeped,blinded, and counterspell heals opf the priest, while the hunter is stunned, shatter combo him, Hunter doesn't have much survavibility VS mage rogue, the problem might exist when the priest fears the rogue that isn't undead ad must trinket, so the hunter scattershot him and trap him.....
PRIEST(DISCI) MAGE(FROST)(MEDIUM-HARD):The only way to beat this setup is focussing the priest, and counterspelling(on polymorph)+sheeping and blinding the mage.... If u focus the mage he will ice block and u will be ****ed ;| . Don't even try to do a shattercombo, just petnova and ice lance + istants and some scorchs, as the mage will counterspell you on frostbolts...
DRUID(RESTO) LOCK(HARD+++): Open by shadowstep sap on lock and try to shot down the pet, then silence the fel domination, if u success and the druid is out sheep lock and go kill the druid (it should become easy if u are succesfull here), if u are not succesfull use 2-3 icelance to winter's chill the lock then sheep it and keep going on the druid, the only way is to kill the druid before the lock does with you and your mate with his dots, BTW is a nice idea to silence the FEAR casting.
DRUID(RESTO) ROGUE(HARD): The Rogue will usually open on the mage, make your team mate Cheap shot istantly the rogue as he cheapshots you, keep him stunned and shatter combo it, once you shatter comboed the rogue, you should sheep him (he must still be in kidney shot if he didn't trinket) if he trinkets Sheep it(DON'T USE BLIND!), Once sheep is succesfull (may require 1-2 fakecasts ) GO on the druid, put pressure and make him use trinket on a Shattercombo+Kidney, when he does, sheep the druid and go for the rogue, re-open by cheapshot+kidney on the rogue,get it donw to 50%, blind druid,when 1 second left to blind, sheep druid (he'll lose 2.5-3 seconds to shapeshifts) fire blast the rogue btw, then the rogue must be like 20%, counterspell druid, and if rogue isn't died when 1 sec left o coutnerspell, try to resheep the druid and pray the god for a critical it

2ND PART COMING TOMORROW WITH THE OTHER SETUPS AND A CHECK OF THE GUIDE FOR GRAMMAR ERRORS ETC......(it's 3 A.M. where i live, need a sleep lawl)

BTW Hope it helps some newcomers to Mage/Rogue xD

[Hyourin]

nice guide man! got both a mage (with quite crappy pvp gear:P) and a rogue, so might use it someday!

looking forward to see some posts about retri/hunter combo as im playing in that 1 atm as retri pala:P

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[Premium-mmo]

nice guide man! got both a mage (with quite crappy pvp gear:P) and a rogue, so might use it someday!

looking forward to see some posts about retri/hunter combo as im playing in that 1 atm as retri pala:P

Tnx xD (Filler)

Btw i suggest u to play Retradin\Rogue combo is niez

[dcduo]

Rogue: Excuse me sir, could you provide the means by which i could roll my face upon my keyboard?
Mage: hans densk pley quick i need weapn 2200

Your group has joined the que for all arenas.

[dcduo]

nice guide man! got both a mage (with quite crappy pvp gear:P) and a rogue, so might use it someday!

looking forward to see some posts about retri/hunter combo as im playing in that 1 atm as retri pala:P

In my experience (on Bloodlust BG anyway) ret/rogue is only good provided your rogue has s3+ weapons, as the only teams i have really ran into whilst playing this setup from 1500 - 1700 is mage/rogue, warr,shammy mage,rogue mage/rogue mage/rogue mage/priest.

It certainly was not enjoyable watching people back-pedal all day and still winning.

[jmp003]

hai i play a rogue cause i hab no skill

[Shadowkillzz]

In my expirience on druid/warr we just opened on warrior and just CS druid when he gets out of stealth and warrior was dead and if he wasn't I blinded Druid->Vanish->CS asap and mage finishes warrior.
Most priest healer teams were easy with just sap Priest attack X Poly Priest Poly Poly Counter he either trinkets or his teammate is dead if he trinkets blind->sap and it's gg
But if it's with frost mage then yea you must focus priest
Warlock + Druid just leave the arena :l

[Ranam]

The Disc priest + Enh shaman strat is stupid. You can keep the Priest CCed long enough to burn the enhance shaman. There is no need to kill the harder target.

[Premium-mmo]

The Disc priest + Enh shaman strat is stupid. You can keep the Priest CCed long enough to burn the enhance shaman. There is no need to kill the harder target.

If the Shaman survives the sheep and priest trinkets the sheep ( really probable because the hsaman will use syhamanistic rage and equiip shield + start like a mad healing himself,then you're ****ed, even if the priest shadow death you on sheep you are f'ked

[Premium-mmo]

In my expirience on druid/warr we just opened on warrior and just CS druid when he gets out of stealth and warrior was dead and if he wasn't I blinded Druid->Vanish->CS asap and mage finishes warrior.
Most priest healer teams were easy with just sap Priest attack X Poly Priest Poly Poly Counter he either trinkets or his teammate is dead if he trinkets blind->sap and it's gg
But if it's with frost mage then yea you must focus priest
Warlock + Druid just leave the arena :l

If there is a Priest rogue for example pre-sapping he priest is uselesss, and you can't sap it when the rogue incs, because sap diminishing retourns the sheep

[Enfeebleness]

Did you need to make it so colorfull? It's rather annoying to read.


And stop double posting. Edit.

It's not hard.

[jarmale6]

How do you sheep a druid ? druids got this nice macro that you can shapswift out of it in 0.5 sec and by the time you let the druid shapswift again the rogue already got 2 lifebloom on him

[francomade]

nice guide + rep! thanks, help me a bit in arena

[francomade]

btw, hope to see part 2 of your guide!