[BUG] Horde Get Paid To PVP!!

[Liania]

Haha, for those of you that don't know, heres why Horde tend to win both of their BGs:

I have played/leveled a Horde Druid and a Nelf Priest to 60. I have played on my alliance friend's warrior, pally, and my horde friend's shaman.

1. Everyone wants to be Legolawls killing the Orcs.
2. Alliance is PvE based, Horde is PvP based.
3. Shamans are different from pallies in alot of ways: if played correctly, pallies can be really really good, or even considered 'overpowered'. Shamans are easier to learn imo.
4. Most kids join alliance, because of number 1.

[Marlo]

Haha, for those of you that don't know, heres why Horde tend to win both of their BGs:

I have played/leveled a Horde Druid and a Nelf Priest to 60. I have played on my alliance friend's warrior, pally, and my horde friend's shaman.

1. Everyone wants to be Legolawls killing the Orcs.
2. Alliance is PvE based, Horde is PvP based.
3. Shamans are different from pallies in alot of ways: if played correctly, pallies can be really really good, or even considered 'overpowered'. Shamans are easier to learn imo.
4. Most kids join alliance, because of number 1.

1. Bullsh*t
2. no sh*t!!! (ALL HORDE RACIALS ARE TOO POWERFUL!)
3.Paladins are basicly a PVE class. They can be played in PVP but its incredibly hard to be good at it.
4. Meh

Racials
Horde:
immunity to fear
+AP bonus and insane stun resist
a HoT (cannibalize, i admit its not very economic in battle but still good)
imp casting speed and attack speed

Alliance:
Can unroot and engineer specialists...
stealth detect and rep imp...
can stealth but not move and dodge increase...
Immunity to poisen and detect treause (ok stoneform is imba but its the only good one)

[Nezdragon]

Alliance has one more flight path than Horde does. Count 'em.

Yes, Horde seems to be more PvP based than the PvE alliance, but in endgame this ends up meaning alliance gets better gear easier than horde does.

I have raiding 60s on both sides, so I do know what I'm talking about

And for the record, Horde are far more mature than Alliance, generally speaking.

Actually marlo, if you knew the lore behind the entire premice of Warcraft Humans are behind the entire war. They kept Orcs as slaves until Thrall stood up for his people and rebelled.

For good reason. When they came into Azeroth, the Orcs were tainted with demonic corruption, turning them into bloodthirsty... orcs. Yeah.

But seriously, if you actually read the lore, it talks about the Orcish race being fueled by demonic magics and such, before and during the invasion of Azeroth.

Kil'jaeden saw that the warrior orcs were more susceptible to the Legion's corruption. He enthralled the elder orc shaman, Ner'zhul, in much the same way that Sargeras brought Queen Azshara under his control in ages past. Using the cunning shaman as his conduit, the demon spread battle lust and savagery throughout the orc clans. Before long, the spiritual race was transformed into a bloodthirsty people.

The orcs became increasingly aggressive under the secret control of Gul'dan and his Shadow Council. They constructed massive arenas where the orcs honed their warrior skills in trials of combat and death...


Kil'jaeden knew that the orc clans were almost ready, but he needed to be certain of their ultimate loyalty. In secret, he had the Shadow Council summon Mannoroth the Destructor, the living vessel of destruction and rage. Gul'dan called the clan chieftains together and convinced them that drinking Mannoroth's raging blood would make them utterly invincible. Led by Grom Hellscream, all the clan chiefs except Durotan drank and thereby sealed their fates as slaves to the Burning Legion. Empowered by Mannoroth's rage, the chieftains unwittingly extended this subjugation to their unsuspecting brethren. Consumed with the curse of this new bloodlust, the orcs sought to unleash their fury on any who stood before them. Sensing that the time had come, Gul'dan united the warring clans into a single unstoppable Horde.

Then in post WC2 the orcs were rounded up into internment camps.

As the fires of the Second War died down, the Alliance took aggressive steps to contain the orcish threat. A number of large internment camps, meant to house the captive orcs, were constructed in southern Lordaeron. Guarded by both the paladins and the veteran soldiers of the Alliance, the camps proved to be a great success. Though the captive orcs were tense and anxious to do battle once more, the various camp wardens, based at the old prison-fortress of Durnholde, kept the peace and maintained a strong semblance of order...

Months passed, and more orc prisoners were rounded up and placed within the internment camps. As the camps began to overflow, the Alliance was forced to construct new camps in the plains south of the Alterac Mountains.

They became lethargic like so:

Amidst the political turmoil, many of the camp wardens began to notice an unsettling change come over their orc captives. The orcs' efforts to escape from the camps or even fight amongst themselves had greatly decreased in frequency over time. The orcs were becoming increasingly aloof and lethargic. Though it was difficult to believe, the orcs - once held as the most aggressive race ever seen on Azeroth - had completely lost their will to fight. The strange lethargy confounded the Alliance leaders and continued to take its toll on the rapidly weakening orcs.
Some speculated that some strange disease, contractible only by orcs, brought about the baffling lethargy. But Archmage Antonidas of Dalaran posed a different hypothesis. Researching what little he could find of orcish history, Antonidas learned that the orcs had been under the crippling influence of demonic power for generations. He speculated that the orcs had been corrupted by these powers even before their first invasion of Azeroth. Clearly, demons had spiked the orcs' blood, and in turn the brutes had been granted unnaturally heightened strength, endurance, and aggression. Antonidas theorized that the orcs' communal lethargy was not actually a disease, but a consequence of racial withdrawal from the volatile warlock magics that had made them fearsome, bloodlusted warriors. Though the symptoms were clear, Antonidas was unable to find a cure for the orcs' present condition. Then too, many of his fellow mages, as well as a few notable Alliance leaders, argued that finding a cure for the orcs would be an imprudent venture. Left to ponder the orcs' mysterious condition, Antonidas' conclusion was that the orcs' cure would have to be a spiritual one.

So yeah. Blame it on the Legion.

[Glynbeard]

soooo lets leave it at Alli's pwn :P j/k j/k

[Marlo]

Nez. i wasnt talking of Game lore. i was talking about simple Human mechanics. Horde 'look' Evil. Ally look 'good' its in the color scheme and the races.

P.S you are THE biggest geek i have ever come into contact with...lol

[idusy-org]

Haha, for those of you that don't know, heres why Horde tend to win both of their BGs:

I have played/leveled a Horde Druid and a Nelf Priest to 60. I have played on my alliance friend's warrior, pally, and my horde friend's shaman.

1. Everyone wants to be Legolawls killing the Orcs.
2. Alliance is PvE based, Horde is PvP based.
3. Shamans are different from pallies in alot of ways: if played correctly, pallies can be really really good, or even considered 'overpowered'. Shamans are easier to learn imo.
4. Most kids join alliance, because of number 1.

I ALMOST agree... But...

Most kids that spend their lives playing primarily fighting based games dont WANT to be the "Good guys" and they think undeads are the ****. But obviously, the immaturity and age factors is even for the most part.


Idusy has spoken. End of discussion kids.

[Marlo]

Sit the f*ck down idusy!

[Enfeebleness]

Which pisses me off.. cant they just be a little mature? damn soon I'm gonna start go ganking every horde I see, blizzard sucks for favorizing the horde side..

I already do that if they're flagged...
They obviously attacked my faction, or they typed /pvp (just asking for me to kill them) so i help them out by sending them to the GY and camping there body ^^

PVE loses at life though

[Marlo]

ive explored all aspects of the game (intesnse PVE raids including outdoor encounters) And PVP (rank 12 pala). PVP is the best and less time consuming (you may think that to get to rank 12 you need 20 hours a day but you really dont) my PVE was a hell of a lot harder to keep on top of....wait a minute...off-topic?

[Scarmaker]

Actually marlo, if you knew the lore behind the entire premice of Warcraft Humans are behind the entire war. They kept Orcs as slaves until Thrall stood up for his people and rebelled.

I have the book that leads to the WoW game. ( yes i am that nerdy ) And Thrall did rebel against the humans, BUT then they ahd an alliance, until both Thrall, and Jania Proudmoore's most trusted advisors both went for help from the Burning Legion. The demon that "helped" them, amde them start a fight,a nd Thrall brought down DoomHammer on his advisors skull, splatering it on the leader of the fight, which stopped the fight, and then they all went to Dreammist Peak, killed the demon, and the End.... until they start another fight, in which Blizz prolly blamed it on the Alliance, becuz they favor. the Horde..

And The BE being pallys is the stupidist idea.... why would Pallys side with undead... the think they are trying to destroy??

[Pvt. Snowflake]

i have many horde and many alliance i kinda think theyre the same, but maybe its just i didnt lvl them high enough

[wanker]

Ok so if bliz favor horde more than alliance how come...

1, Allli get Redridge, Duskwood and Blasted Lands with no horde fp's while horde get ganked in STV to level up high enough to be ganked in WPL because they didnt get Alli FP less zones to lvl in?

2, Alterac Valley is favored toward the Alliance:
A) Its allmost all down hill from the Alli start POS.
B) The Alli tower archers hurt a lot more than horde ones do and there is a lot more of them.
C) Alli have to run through frostwolves that hit for 50 to 70 dmg give or take to reach the horde nodes while Alli have more patrolling ellites on their roads and the alterac rams that not only charge and do knockdown/stun but also hit harder than a frostwolf.

3) Alli got to annoy the living **** out of horde by getting pallis from the start with their anoying bubble and being another class other than priest that can debuff all detremential magic effects but when horde get pallis in BC they are getting a nerf?

I have 4 lvl 60s Alli Hunter, Rogue, Horde Priest and Mage and IMO if any side has it easier its Alli.

[Fishy80]

Ok so if bliz favor horde more than alliance how come...

1, Allli get Redridge, Duskwood and Blasted Lands with no horde fp's while horde get ganked in STV to level up high enough to be ganked in WPL because they didnt get Alli FP less zones to lvl in?

2, Alterac Valley is favored toward the Alliance:
A) Its allmost all down hill from the Alli start POS.
B) The Alli tower archers hurt a lot more than horde ones do and there is a lot more of them.
C) Alli have to run through frostwolves that hit for 50 to 70 dmg give or take to reach the horde nodes while Alli have more patrolling ellites on their roads and the alterac rams that not only charge and do knockdown/stun but also hit harder than a frostwolf.

3) Alli got to annoy the living **** out of horde by getting pallis from the start with their anoying bubble and being another class other than priest that can debuff all detremential magic effects but when horde get pallis in BC they are getting a nerf?

I have 4 lvl 60s Alli Hunter, Rogue, Horde Priest and Mage and IMO if any side has it easier its Alli.

I am sorry but every one of your points about AV are not true..

I have read many thread on the subject and made many of my own... Av is built horde sided... (as in the way things are places/built)... note... im not complaining... I think that the way things are its even for the most part... but the zone itself is fashioned twords horde... if you want to dicuss Alterac Valley make a new thread... ill be happy to post in it...

and to the 3rd point... ZOMG ANNOYING STUFFZ NOO dontthink of frost shock at all... or earthbind or any ANNOYING crap like that....

as far as flight paths...

what about mulgore durotar the barrens the badlands and swamp of sorrows?? alliance dont get FP's there.. you do... yea...

Yes, Horde seems to be more PvP based than the PvE alliance, but in endgame this ends up meaning alliance gets better gear easier than horde does.

PvE ability's are practically useless in PvP... pvp ability's are great for PvE OR pVp so...who's end up ahead in the END? obviosly PvP side... which is horde..

[bait]

well it is a war out there ppl fight to win not die

[zitronenbaum]

ok guys.

blizzard DOES NOT FAVOR ANY FACTION. they would be stupid if they do! if it would be obvisiouly that blizz favors horde or alliance because players of the non-favored faction would stop playing the game. blizzard wants to get their players addicted to the game. this means that alliance and horde must be equal. of course this is not easy because it would be bored if both factions acts an look like the same (same abilities, same looking, same maps, etc...) so OF COURSE every faction hast some advantages that the other faction does not have (pally - shaman, AV there ARE imparities).

so THINK be4 posting. blizzard wants to make the game to everyone as attractive as possible this means no faction, no race, no class, no gender, NOTHING is favored by blizzard.