[PQRotation] Firepong's PQR Profile's Feedback - Comments - Question's?

[firepong]

The only time I posted damage was back in post 609, and it was a post with using mangle priority, and shred priority. From my understanding you prioritize mangle over shred in EVERY situation EXCEPT when berserk is active because you build CP faster with mangle, therefore the +75% chance of the extra CP with a 5 CP finisher outweighs the slight dmg difference. So even when tiger's fury is active, you should still use mangle over shred every time, unless berserk is active as well.

EDIT: Also yes I have the 2 pc. So if I change the "or" I that code to "and" it should ignore only TF? Since the profile waits on TF to berserk, the two always for together when berserk is popped.
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I get what your saying. And yeah, I mistook scooters post for yours, sorry. I'll Try it with just berserk active for Mangle > Shred and see what happens.

EDIT* Let me finally update my change-log on my frame and I will upload the new version. It is definitely a DPS increase to use Mangle on Single Tigers Fury, but better to use Shred on Berserk. Believe it or not, it gave me ~1k DPS increase over it trying to use Shred on Tigers Fury. Don't ask me how, but its a big difference.

Also, I'm running SotF now as well because it is definitely a noticeable increase over Incarnation in most situations.

EDIT** I'm also loving the way the 2p T15 in-adversely gives us a higher uptime on Rip

[cukiemunster]

Yeah, back in the pics I posted I got almost 3k dps using mangle instead of shred completely unbuffed with 50 million dmg done. I also use SotF/Doc instead of Incarnation, for quite some time. Granted you don't burst out if the gate like moonkins do, but the overall dps is much much better

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[firepong]

Yeah, back in the pics I posted I got almost 3k dps using mangle instead of shred completely unbuffed with 50 million dmg done. I also use SotF/Doc instead of Incarnation, for quite some time. Granted you don't burst out if the gate like moonkins do, but the overall dps is much much better

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When I get a chance, I'll run a straight LFR all the way through with just mangle and see what happens. Though if we all started doing this, Blizzard will change something again because they will say "It's not how your suppose to play Feral"... Just watch C.c

EDIT* But yeah, there is def something wrong with the way I have Incarnation and Ravage in my profile. For some reason, it locks up for a sec or 2 when Incarnation is first popped, lowering the overall burst.

[cukiemunster]

So theoretically, which "should" lag the profile less for mangle/shred usage, NotBehindTarget, or UnitFacing? I meant to ask this earlier, but forgot. I tried both in raid on tuesday, but didn't seem to make a difference which I had selected.

[firepong]

So theoretically, which "should" lag the profile less for mangle/shred usage, NotBehindTarget, or UnitFacing? I meant to ask this earlier, but forgot. I tried both in raid on tuesday, but didn't seem to make a difference which I had selected.

It's about the same for me as well. Since I don't raid in a 25m setting, I don't care about the few FPS drop (I also have a good GFX card, so again, don't care), but I know others do. All I can say about that is that they will have to either upgrade their system (or just the GFX card) or remove everything like that out of my profile and gimp it.

P.S. I'm thinking about trying a heavy hast build over Mastery > Crit in a little bit. Going to try Mastery > Haste and see how that goes.

EDIT* I was only able to gain 3% from my reforging without loosing any mastery. Wonder how much of a difference this will make xD Only lost 1.6% crit, so never know. If they want ferals to even be competitive, what they need to do is raise base feral energy regen by 10% if you ask me, that would be epic (I know, it's only 1sec, but it would make A BIG DIFFERENCE!!).

[cukiemunster]

Feral are very competitive at higher gear levels, in ToT 25 man, I am typically in top 5 dps, and Megaera, nobody can touch my dps, i blow everyone away. I quickly tried a haste reforge, and it simmed about 4k lower than my current hit/exp>mastery>crit build. I will mess with it more when I have more time to properly adjust the stat weights and w/e.

[firepong]

Feral are very competitive at higher gear levels, in ToT 25 man, I am typically in top 5 dps, and Megaera, nobody can touch my dps, i blow everyone away. I quickly tried a haste reforge, and it simmed about 4k lower than my current hit/exp>mastery>crit build. I will mess with it more when I have more time to properly adjust the stat weights and w/e.

With my current build, its not gonna make a difference. I'm gonna wait till I get my 522 trinket from Shado-Pan Assault to reforge to Haste. With that 3%, it only added .04 energy regen. But when I get that trinket, I should definitely be able to reforge more Haste as I wont have to reforge for Hit cap then lol.

[monopoly8]

Currently with the new mangle preferred profile and t15 2piece and 515ilvl, I see an increase of dps on fights using these stat weights, from the fluid druid and keep in mind everyone's gear is different.
6.42 agi, 5.70Wdps, 3.20 mastery, 2.80 ap, 2.68 haste, 2.64 exp, 2.53 hit,2.44 str, 2.43 crit. Custom weights on ask mrrobot.

The thing with ferals in 25man raids, I find myself bottom or near bottom of initial start if fight burst, but our damage is so much more consistant than others. In my experience ferals are entirely underated in 25man raids. On my server I'm number 1feral because only I think 5 ferals are actively raising, they all got converted to boomkin. I really wish our weapons would drop, none of this bis from random boss drop crap.

[K1ngp1n]

thx firepong, tested it and it works really good with ilvl 524
i still have to ask u for the time do die function, maybe u can borrow it from cuteone's profile

and yeah ferals are really underrated, the problems are just fights with a lot of target switches and short fights where u need burst, the longer the fight goes on, the better for us

[googlebee]

Really nice work with the tier functions Pong.

New Build is working nicely!

-GB

[firepong]

thx firepong, tested it and it works really good with ilvl 524
i still have to ask u for the time do die function, maybe u can borrow it from cuteone's profile

and yeah ferals are really underrated, the problems are just fights with a lot of target switches and short fights where u need burst, the longer the fight goes on, the better for us

Really nice work with the tier functions Pong.

New Build is working nicely!

-GB

Here's what I love to see


I hit this a couple times throughout a boss fight and it damn near kept me at 100k DPS. I've gotten one as close as 300k and topped out at over 175k burst a couple times. Doesn't happen much, but its lovely lol.

P.S. I'll see what I can do about the Time2Die function, just don't exactly know how to use it to its full potential. Will take some heavy looking at on SimCraft to get a hold on how they use it and on which abilities.

[Enuma]

Hello mate,

i recently pull out of closet my Feral kitty and i wanted to use your profiles, however i see two different profiles in your SVN, so can you please tell me which one should i use?

The one marked with Firekitteh_DRUID or HonorBuddy Druid DPS?

Thank you in advance

[firepong]

Hello mate,

i recently pull out of closet my Feral kitty and i wanted to use your profiles, however i see two different profiles in your SVN, so can you please tell me which one should i use?

The one marked with Firekitteh_DRUID or HonorBuddy Druid DPS?

Thank you in advance

Firekitteh rotation. The HonorBuddy one was on there for whenever I decided to start it back up, but that plan was dropped after I found out I didn't have the time to update it. It's just sitting there taking up space right now lol

[Enuma]

Firekitteh rotation. The HonorBuddy one was on there for whenever I decided to start it back up, but that plan was dropped after I found out I didn't have the time to update it. It's just sitting there taking up space right now lol

Ty for help, found them and tested them. Profile is really good and you did nice work with it

Now, i got a question for anyone whos willing to help a bit. I havent played my Druid since Cata and im quite out of info on what, where and why atm.
From what i did manage to find and read pretty much ever major forum says that, for ilvl that i have i should do around 80K dps.
In dungeons i manage to go up to 65k, while doing 50mil test on dummy i did manage to pull off only 50k tops, trinkets and CDs used.

So, taking in concern that this is best feral profile that i did manage to find on several bots, i must be doing something wrong, or my gear is not good enough.

This is my armory:
https://i.imgur.com/eGXmHHo.jpg

Can someone tell me what do you think is optimal DPS with this gear? Am i doing something wrong? Im forged into master>critt, so that i correct forging, all CDs were used in test, yet, by comparing all stats im seriously underperforming, on top of that, my Raid Leader is bashing me for doing low DPS, so i would just like to know is that correct and how to fix if (except gearing, thats work in progress)
Hes forcing me back to my monk, which i dropped recently, rolling on my Druid and im trying to stay away from monk.

Ty in advance.

[firepong]

Ty for help, found them and tested them. Profile is really good and you did nice work with it

Now, i got a question for anyone whos willing to help a bit. I havent played my Druid since Cata and im quite out of info on what, where and why atm.
From what i did manage to find and read pretty much ever major forum says that, for ilvl that i have i should do around 80K dps.
In dungeons i manage to go up to 65k, while doing 50mil test on dummy i did manage to pull off only 50k tops, trinkets and CDs used.

So, taking in concern that this is best feral profile that i did manage to find on several bots, i must be doing something wrong, or my gear is not good enough.

This is my armory:
https://i.imgur.com/eGXmHHo.jpg

Can someone tell me what do you think is optimal DPS with this gear? Am i doing something wrong? Im forged into master>critt, so that i correct forging, all CDs were used in test, yet, by comparing all stats im seriously underperforming, on top of that, my Raid Leader is bashing me for doing low DPS, so i would just like to know is that correct and how to fix if (except gearing, thats work in progress)
Hes forcing me back to my monk, which i dropped recently, rolling on my Druid and im trying to stay away from monk.

Ty in advance.

For the new Raid ToT, I would recommend you go back to your monk when you guys get that far. With the way the fights have so much switching from add to add or boss to boss, druid damage is gimped on at least 8 of the bosses. Its the sad truth and how ****ed up we really are.

As for looking at your gear, you need to get as much Hit/Expertise you can, at least 6.75% on both (its what I was hitting for when I got my gear) ( I also see you have reforged out of Hit and expertise. If any of these are reforged to crit, remove them). To me, it feels like we don't get as much energy back as we used to back in Cata when our moves missed. I have played around with it a lot and from tests, when your not stacking to cap on Hit and Expertise, your loosing to much Damage there. Since they had upped the White Damage we do, there should be no reason for these attacks to miss. Also, I don't know what your talents are, but with that iLVL, I would say go Incarnation + DoC combo for as much starting burst to at least get you somewhere 3 times during the fight. Also on all your gems, if you can't hit the Hit cap, Stick a couple Agi/Hit, Agi/Exper or Exper/Hit in them to compensate, but never stick a mixed gem in the prismatic socket on your belt.

Also, looking at that, I see no enchants. On your back piece, stick 180 hit on it. On your wrist, stick 180 agi if their cheap on your server or 170 Mastery. As for the hands, you can do 170 Str if their cheap (these give agi, so they are the best DPS increase per se as we get 1AP per 1 Str) or you can just go with 170 mastery here as well. On the legs, either get the more expensive leather armor or get the cheaper green. Either one is better than nothing. And on the feet, get the 140 Agi/Run Speed if their cheap or get the 140 Mastery/Run Speed. I won't even recommend Dancing Steel seeing as how all the other enchants look on your gear

With all the above, that is all I can see and the enchants SHOULD (No guarantee) give you about 650-1.5k DPS on top of getting as much Hit/Expertise you can.

As an example of how gimped we are. My guild master was wondering why I could pull 100k+ in their pug run of MSV this week on the first 2 bosses, 92k on the 3rd and 4th bosses and only 80k on Elegon (remember, this is the boss with the 50% dmg buff). I kept explaining to him that druids are gimped when we have to switch targets because we have to re-apply our bleeds and save up enough CP for Rip/FB. I jammed that in his head for 3 hours and he finally seen what I meant on the last boss, whatever his name is in MSV.