DISCUSSION: Ultimate Bot

[pred.is.god]

but a fake cast is used to get kicked in a school of spells you don't need in the near future. So kick bot kickz when the enemy maybe wants you to kick, so that you loose your kick ability until it is ready again.

Also it can't realy calculate in the future. It can predict the future. you can't not now what the enemy is doing in the next moment. maybe change target, maybe try to kite ....

sincery spud

a bot could easily calculate that all your spells in that school are on CD or that they are too mana intensive, or even that they are unnecessary.
Every eventually you can possibly think up, can be handled. you can even reduce an entire arena match to a chess like level.
Each player can only cast one spell at a time, so a computer could think 4 or 5 moves ahead, constantly planning what the players "best" possible moves could be, and having a plan to contain that. everytime the player does anything, the plan would obviously be re-evaluated and changed if necessary.
Computers thrive on number crunching - probabilities, calculating mana remaining, spells on CD, LoS and if a spell can be cast before Los etc.

You need to accept that humans are not the pinacle of everything and dont take the thought of a computer being able to beat you personally.

[thadd]

When I made this thread I was high, now i'm just confused.

[Thrimich]

When I made this thread I was high, now i'm just confused.

LOL, This is now a debate of AI vs HI

[Elbane]

Because humans are not 100% predictable. Think of wiered people which go every day to work and on the next day they kill they whole family.

Is this predictable?!

But at least you are right, if you just sit there with enough money and man power you could build a programm which can dominate in Arena. But wouldn't win every time.

sincery spud

PS: and just think of situation where you thought, hey he 100% sure do this action now ... if not he dies ... but did something else?! Just because he can. A programm have often predictable Actions down to a minimum.

Actually it's possible to make a bot that dosent predict actions but waits for the opponent to cast or preform a certain move, then the bot would preform the counter.
Such as....





Wrath > Arcane shot
Moonfire > Steady shot
Wrath > Arcane shot

This would require someone to enter every possible move by every possible class, which would take time to do but would be possible. It's also possible for a healer to make the bot heal any nearby friendly target as soon as there health gets to a certain percentage.

[ShaneFreeze]

First post so be nice please.

The whole discussion about "Fake-casting" is honestly not even worth continuing but I would like to share my thoughts. A computer could interrupt the spell in the first millisecond, making "Fake-casting" totally useless since the human simply isn't fast enough. Of course latency and other important aspects have to be thought of aswell.

An example:

Human wants to fake-cast so he casts "Wrath".
Human instantly steps to the right and thus interrupting his cast.

Now inbetween the start of the cast and the interrupting part there will most definitely pass ~0.05-0.1 seconds, and this is of course only if the human interrupts his cast AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE (which all good pvpers know is a rare occasion).

This means the computer has about 0.05 seconds to act and even though these numbers can vary a lot due to latency, that is more than enough time for a computer to calculate the whole process and the following steps.

Important things to consider:

The computer obviously has to do a lot more than just interrupt the cast, else you could bait the interrupt with an unimportant spell and then follow up with important spells.

I can come up with several things the computer has to consider;
Mana management
Importance of the spell
Positioning
Current game state
Game plan

You could probably make it very simple and just make the computer use certain tactics as for example; winning due to mana or build up a series of actions to get someon into a bad position. Then the computer can constantly check which tactic would be the best in this certain occasion and act thereafter.

At last, I have to admit that personally I believe that computers will do mostly anything better than us sooner or later. Things such as art are probably an exception, but I can imagine that AI certainly is possible, and honestly noone knows what will happend in the future.

Thanks for your time

Btw, ofc the interrupting thing would be easily traceable, but yeah, you get the idea.

[Multitask]

except what they would be doing would be considered illegal. lols

[ieatglueandstuff]

Because humans are not 100% predictable. Think of wiered people which go every day to work and on the next day they kill they whole family.

Is this predictable?!

But at least you are right, if you just sit there with enough money and man power you could build a programm which can dominate in Arena. But wouldn't win every time.

sincery spud

PS: and just think of situation where you thought, hey he 100% sure do this action now ... if not he dies ... but did something else?! Just because he can. A programm have often predictable Actions down to a minimum.

Stfu Computers are not fortune tellers, a pc isnt going to predict anything its going to witness and REACT faster than a human in every scenario. 5 ele shaman botted 2200+ already in the arena aswell as 1 person controlling 5 ele shaman has hit 2200+ . Hell 99% of arena's under 2400 are tunnel fest's.
And yes if a Bot was programmed as well as flight sim's or training sim's then yea sorry it would smash a human, your not going to program it to be ordinary your going to program it to be superhuman faster smarter stronger etc.

[Nesox]

So, I was watching the IBM challenge on Jepordy and read up about IBM super computers, now who else thinks it would be pretty awesome if they built a IBM to play World of Warcraft for you? He could farm, run bgs (Actually doing more than AFKING), run dungeons for you...pretty much anything...and if a GM whispers you because they find you "Suspiciousness" the computer could just say "Hello nope I'm not a bot!"....I would like to see IBM make a IBM super computer to play on the arena tournament realm and kick some butt..Who else thinks this would make the ultimate World of Warcraft bot.

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I think Mr Watson would make a good gladiator..
Mr Watson would also make a good trade chat troll.

Sounds like Honorbuddy

[wootpeng]

but a fake cast is used to get kicked in a school of spells you don't need in the near future. So kick bot kickz when the enemy maybe wants you to kick, so that you loose your kick ability until it is ready again.

Also it can't realy calculate in the future. It can predict the future. you can't not now what the enemy is doing in the next moment. maybe change target, maybe try to kite ....

sincery spud

I don't know why you are arguing this. Simply put if you put enough work into a bot it will outperform the human. Always.

You can mention ways to "exploit" it, but there is always going to be a solution to that. Saying oh the bot is going to kick the wrong spell or not know that he is going to juke. Well it would be very simple to add a priority system to a bot where certain trees are ranked higher than others.

Humans can't predict whether a person is going to juke or not and neither can a bot. But what a bot can do is kick at the last second possible increasing its chance of not getting juked. Or even measuring the players tendency to juke and average time they use to juke.

It's pointless to use the argument: "well if you do this it would break the bot". Because everything you could do to break the bot could be fixed so that it wouldn't. The only limit is time and money.

[stickybun]

anyone working on a Arena bot then? or at least a click on target kill bot?