DISCUSSION: Ultimate Bot

[thadd]

So, I was watching the IBM challenge on Jepordy and read up about IBM super computers, now who else thinks it would be pretty awesome if they built a IBM to play World of Warcraft for you? He could farm, run bgs (Actually doing more than AFKING), run dungeons for you...pretty much anything...and if a GM whispers you because they find you "Suspiciousness" the computer could just say "Hello nope I'm not a bot!"....I would like to see IBM make a IBM super computer to play on the arena tournament realm and kick some butt..Who else thinks this would make the ultimate World of Warcraft bot.

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I think Mr Watson would make a good gladiator..
Mr Watson would also make a good trade chat troll.

[[Sadistic]]

bahahaha ^ this, that would be sick

[bengan14]

Bots today is not limitd to the performance of the computers. a faster computer does not make a better bot, and whispering a GM "Hello nope I'm not a bot!" when a GM often starts with, "Hi there, do you have time to talk for a bit?" or something, then replying I am not a bot really makes it obvious that it is a bot. "All auto chat replays are often worse then not responding at all."

There already are bots that do run dungeons so that is nothing new. a bot can never beat a human in an arena fight, why? becous bots always follow a pattern, it knows what to do and when yes, but they are always predictable where humans are unpredictable.

[Syltex]

There already are bots that do run dungeons so that is nothing new. a bot can never beat a human in an arena fight, why? becous bots always follow a pattern, it knows what to do and when yes, but they are always predictable where humans are unpredictable.

THATS FALSE!
If you make a well programmed bot, then you actually could make the bot be able to like LOS from spells and kite.
If you do this you can beat any human, because a bot can think and "press" keys faster then a human.

Simply: write a huge API with intelligent functions (LoSing etc) among with the performance of the computer it beats the human every time.

[Rarmann]

Bots today is not limitd to the performance of the computers. a faster computer does not make a better bot, and whispering a GM "Hello nope I'm not a bot!" when a GM often starts with, "Hi there, do you have time to talk for a bit?" or something, then replying I am not a bot really makes it obvious that it is a bot. "All auto chat replays are often worse then not responding at all."

There already are bots that do run dungeons so that is nothing new. a bot can never beat a human in an arena fight, why? becous bots always follow a pattern, it knows what to do and when yes, but they are always predictable where humans are unpredictable.

So you are saying that, that super chess machine (that beat super chess guy), was predictalbe..? I think a machine, or a bot in this case can pick the absolute strategy in a BG ,and will beat a human in most cases (if you actually took the time to make it that advanced).

A have a question to ask, of topic as hell.. Would you report a BG speedhack, flyhack and/or noclipper if you saw him?
And after you answer that, would you report him if he was on your faction?

[spudstar99]

You cant compare chess with a arena match. period. arena is much more complex. Human > BOT at the moment.

sincery spud,

PS check how the super chess Computer works

[Seminko]

You cant compare chess with a arena match. period. arena is much more complex.

That made me laugh . BTW I agree that if you made your three bots REALLY well, they'd beat any actualy human 3s team in arena. But it would take great programming and great players to tell the programmers what to program. Watson was being programmed for 5years until it went to the "competition".

[spudstar99]

@ Seminko

that just proves you know nothing about that whole system. Do yourself and the world a favour and read the article.

Computer chess - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Quote from a Deep Blue Article:

„Any changes in the way Deep Blue plays chess must be performed by the members of the development team between games. Garry Kasparov can alter the way he plays at any time before, during, and/or after each game.“

„Deep Blue, as it stands today, is not a "learning system." It is therefore not capable of utilizing artificial intelligence to either learn from its opponent or "think" about the current position of the chessboard.“

thank you.

sincery spud

[CheeseProphet]

@ above noone was claiming that. Program your bot for every possible situation or give it great compatibillity and it beats humans 100% please tell me, why wouldnt it?

[spudstar99]

Because humans are not 100% predictable. Think of wiered people which go every day to work and on the next day they kill they whole family.

Is this predictable?!

But at least you are right, if you just sit there with enough money and man power you could build a programm which can dominate in Arena. But wouldn't win every time.

sincery spud

PS: and just think of situation where you thought, hey he 100% sure do this action now ... if not he dies ... but did something else?! Just because he can. A programm have often predictable Actions down to a minimum.

[Anonie]

Chess is predictable b/c the computer sees ahead to what move is going to be made in the map on every single move possible from turn 1 to checkmate. A duel in wow is somewhat harder b/c the bot needs to judge how much dps, kiting/cc, healing and damage mitigation is possible between the pvpers, not to mention class specific unique abilities (pally bubble).

For anyone who wants to learn about it, read up on Game theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia which is the field of study for something like this.

[jjaa]

A well programed bot can out perform a human player. WoW is an environment where the bot knows more than a human player. Combine that with the fact that most of WoW's spell rotations are completely rule based e.g. person has buff x cast x. The hardest thing to do with a bot is to generalize (and there are solutions to that to, such as artificial neural networks. Although they are overkill for a WoW bot). So with that in mind, i challenge someone to come up with a situation in WoW were a bot with simple rule based behavior could not out perform a human player.

[muffins100]

Program a bot with every bit of logic and make it learn everything a player does , and presto bot nullifies human.

So far AI isnt really AI - its just following predefined logic

[jjaa]

Program a bot with every bit of logic and make it learn everything a player does , and presto bot nullifies human.

So far AI isnt really AI - its just following predefined logic

AI is creating the illusion of intelligence. If predefined logic achieves that, then its AI.

[spudstar99]

@ jjaa,

what is for example with fake Casts, the bot has to decide wheter to "kick" or "cc" in a certain time Frame. But has also have control about his own GCD and maybe have to cancel a spell cast by himself.

- how do you want to tell your bot is a cast a fake cast ...

This is mostly a situation where you just have a certain knowledge and a learning curve about strategies. When a Team also then maybe learn when the other team decide "ohh it's not a fake cast, i have to kick" then they could use this against the bot team. A Human being can learn. Not like a Programm. (Maybe there are Maschines which learn, but not in the way we think).
but this is just my opinion and maybe i'm wrong.

sincery spud