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    Krillere's Avatar Contributor
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    Originally Posted by Felheart View Post
    I dont agree with xel
    Then you shouldnt be allowed to use Model Edits.

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    MoD's Avatar Miscellaneous Options Dev

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    Originally Posted by Innit View Post
    You are going waaaaay too over the top.

    The whole point of this thread was that THIS file is being watched, not model editing.


    Are you somehow joking ? Or just making a brilliant illustration of your lack of indepth reasoning about the great danger the fact that Blizzard's started monitoring gamefiles represents ?


    By watching what they recently did to their other game products, we are only sure about one thing: Blizzard is capable of jumping from a 'couldn't care less' to a 'overall paranoid control' stance in a rush.

    Taking Diablo II @ BNet as an example, they let us run the game with heavily modded clients (that among others, allowed some of the most extreme 'exploits') for about 7 years, then, almost without notice, decided to make even the slighest & harmless change to the game data a bannable offence, definitely closing the door of D2 editing on live realms, which is a great loss, for some a reason to quit.

    Concerning WoW, they already applied several soft 'nerfs' that, eventhought it didn't 'kill' the ability of doing it, restricted our editing ranges and definitely buried some of the greatest possibilities (TaxiPaths is a good example)


    Code:
    World\Maps\HellfireRampart\HellfireRampart_28_34.adt
    World\Maps\PVPZone04\PVPZone04_30_29.adt
    DBFilesClient\CreatureModelData.dbc
    World\Maps\PVPZone04\PVPZone04_29_30.adt
    World\Maps\PVPZone01\PVPZone01_32_29.adt
    World\GENERIC\PassiveDoodads\ValentinesDay\ValentineBasket_01.m2
    World\Expansion02\Doodads\Stormpeaks\IceShards\FrostGiantIceShard04.M2
    World\AZEROTH\ELWYNN\PASSIVEDOODADS\Campfire\ElwynnCampfire.m2
    World\Maps\PVPZone01\PVPZone01_32_30.adt
    world\maps\stratholme\stratholme_38_25.adt
    world\maps\stratholme\stratholme_38_24.adt
    World\Maps\Kalimdor\Kalimdor_29_9.adt
    world\goober\g_fishingbobber.blp
    World\Generic\Human\Passive Doodads\BeerKegs\BeerKeg01_NoCollide.M2
    World\Generic\PASSIVEDOODADS\DuelingFlag\DuelingFlag.m2
    The fact that CreatureModelData.dbc is being watched is a hard nerf, you can now say goodbye to fully working custom models among other great stuff.

    As of today, we even have to run a haxored wow.exe to load our edits; which in terms of detectability, couldn't be worse.
    I wouldn't be surprised if they rapidly add new modules to Warden@WoW / add more entries to this list, if not start monitoring the whole Data folder...

    ~

    Forgot to say that i'm glad if people are getting banned for using model editing as a cheat tool.
    If we definitely loose the ability to load edited gamefiles, we should know who to blame.
    Last edited by MoD; 04-24-2009 at 08:10 PM.

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    CMD is no big thing. Its just disabling flyhacking with that negative collision. And if you want to add a new creature with a different model which you wont as long as you can't add animations.

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    You're right.

    Still, I'm really afraid it's just a matter of time till they expand this list, which I truelly hope they won't.

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    schlumpf's Avatar Retired Noggit Developer

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    We still could maintain a false-checksum list. Save those hashes once per patch and then use yours.

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    I agree with Xel, I use model edits only to make stuff look the way I want it to look, not some idiots using it to cheat and then the programmers need to kill their brains while thinking how to make model editing possible again.

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    72 hour ban hammer hit me too for the Baron exploit. Ouch.

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    Model Edits are made to improve the experience of playing, not to cheat. If you kill Map edits, you don't just remove the usage of Battleground tunnels and stuff, you kill the ability to create something new, like islands to WoW.

    Many people who were totally bored to WoW had found a great possibility to change the look of the spells, ground, sky and other things of WoW. Even some great Machinima makers do use Model Edits to make the video somehow different.

    I don't believe in cheating myself, hope you undestand that by using a model edit for cheating you risk the whole future of Model editing community.

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    aha, and when the Model edits wont work, half of you will come and QQ asking to fix the thing.

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    why to use model edits for anything else than exploiting? if you use it for cheating, you at least receive something for taking the risk of ban (eg. baron mount).. but if you use model edits just because you're a green hero and wanna look "T8-like", it's pretty stupid and it absolutely doesn't worth it...

    come on guys... risking ban for some stupid client-side editions? your gear still looks crappy to others, so why bother of changing it for yourself?

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    Originally Posted by eSko View Post
    why to use model edits for anything else than exploiting? if you use it for cheating, you at least receive something for taking the risk of ban (eg. baron mount).. but if you use model edits just because you're a green hero and wanna look "T8-like", it's pretty stupid and it absolutely doesn't worth it...

    come on guys... risking ban for some stupid client-side editions? your gear still looks crappy to others, so why bother of changing it for yourself?
    Edit: You shouldnt be allowed to use ME, you are one of the persons that makes Blizz nerf it

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    Originally Posted by eSko View Post
    why to use model edits for anything else than exploiting? if you use it for cheating, you at least receive something for taking the risk of ban (eg. baron mount).. but if you use model edits just because you're a green hero and wanna look "T8-like", it's pretty stupid and it absolutely doesn't worth it...

    come on guys... risking ban for some stupid client-side editions? your gear still looks crappy to others, so why bother of changing it for yourself?

    LOL, dude, it's like you never heard of Photoshop, I don't care what armor I have, I just recolor mounts, replace spells n stuff, not making my "green" armor look like T7 or whatever. Blizzard have made bad looking gear lately, I just recolor it and try to make it look cooler.

    come on man... what's the point of using model editing for cheating if you can use hacks instead? If you all like exploiting go make hacks urself, not kill model editing

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    Originally Posted by ZDude View Post
    LOL, dude, it's like you never heard of Photoshop, I don't care what armor I have, I just recolor mounts, replace spells n stuff, not making my "green" armor look like T7 or whatever. Blizzard have made bad looking gear lately, I just recolor it and try to make it look cooler.

    come on man... what's the point of using model editing for cheating if you can use hacks instead? If you all like exploiting go make hacks urself, not kill model editing
    I love you

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    Got banned too. Its for 72 but note! In this time they check your activities and after the inspection you can get a new ban or even a perma bann. It depends on you're activities before.

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    Thank god I gave up on that damn model edit a few days before 3.1

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