WoW Emulators are NOT Illegal

[Vindicated]

LOL you obviously think that I am an idiot. I understand the matter very clearly, and I did not copy/paste my information from anywhere. If you can prove that I copy pasted something I'll give you $10000000 dollars because I defiantly did not copy paste any information that I gave.


Now please quit flaming/arguing in this post; keep a clean discussion without insulting other people. Infractions will follow for those who flame.

[Henkke]

Well, i could link the post in emupedia where compboy or burlex ( can't remember rite now which one and emupedias down)
Said the exact same thing as in your post.
And as i said in previous page, it gets illegal on the point when you sniff their protocol and use the packets. So in reality no-one needs to care a shit about dbc or maps since its illegal way before that

*edit oh yeah, just read pedregons first post in this thread, it's almost a direct c&p from that post and how all the points in that post were proven wrong by many people.

[Vindicated]

So because Pedregon's post is a copy/paste that makes mine one too? Your logic is faulty.

Also, learn the laws of reverse engineering before you make a post concerning it kkthxbai

[Henkke]

/sigh..
your post says 100% the same thing than the thread start post, which is proven wrong by almost everyone who answered here, and as you still believe on this let me paste you a few examples from the TOS agreement itself;

C. use any unauthorized third-party software that intercepts, "mines", or otherwise collects information from or through the Game or the Service, including without limitation any software that reads areas of RAM used by the Game to store information about a character or the game environment; provided, however, that Blizzard may, at its sole and absolute discretion, allow the use of certain third party user interfaces
E. host, provide or develop matchmaking services for the Game or the Service, or intercept, emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Blizzard in any way, for any purpose, including without limitation unauthorized play over the internet, network play, or as part of content aggregation networks;

F. facilitate, create or maintain any unauthorized connection to the Game or the Service, including without limitation (a) any connection to any unauthorized server that emulates, or attempts to emulate, the Service; and (b) any connection using programs or tools not expressly approved by Blizzard

TOS

You agree that you will not, under any circumstances:

    A. in whole or in part, copy, photocopy, reproduce, translate, reverse engineer, derive source code from, modify, disassemble, decompile, or create derivative works based on the Game
G. facilitate, create or maintain any unauthorized connection to the Game or the Service, including without limitation (a) any connection to any unauthorized server that emulates, or attempts to emulate, the Service; and (b) any connection using programs or tools not expressly approved by Blizzard

Etc etc etc etc etc etc, theres _ALOT_ more.
These were just for a quick look throught tos and eula.
And theres no need to learn the laws of reverse engineering (maybe for you) if you just can read.

[Greed]

I love flame that comes from these people who think they know the answer but they are so wrong.

No Henkke, you blame Vindicated for copy past, bam hypocrite.

[Henkke]

A nice little facepalm would fit now.
Let's start it from the beginning, pedregon made a post which said "emulator is not illegal if it doesnt supply dbc / maps" in short.
3.5 pages of discussion came from it, were most of the posts proved this statement as wrong.

Hang on there don't drop your interest yet kids!

Next thing is that Vindicate makes the exact same post than the thread starter, just alot shorter, thus ignoring the 3.5 pages of text, just to jump back to beginning.
And then the happy followers follow offcourse.

[Clain]

Read the first page, theres no need to argue.

Running a server == ILLEGAL
An emulator == ILLEGAL

[Pedregon]

If you haven't atleast reached contrib don't say anthing lawl.

We all have our opinions on this issue,no need to flame,argue,ect.

[Baelzebub]

*grin*
Are we talking Emulators OR Simulators here?
I do remember a discussion like this, well about a million of them or there abouts when W@D started selling his way back when, on blizzhackers then mooo then emupedia blahblahblah yous get the point.
Yes, yes Emu-Simu same thing different name but that's all it took. Bl!zzard has gotten alot more harsh since then and even then they were shutting down websites never mind private servers. Are they illegal now either one? Why not just e-mail them and ask?

[Vindicated]

Copyright law protects any work, including computer software, that is "fixed in a tangible medium of expression" and which contains a "modicum of originality." While making a copy of an orginal work generally constitutes copyright infringement, the very nature of computer software requires the making of a copy of original elements every time a program runs. In order to solve this problem, Congress included specific exemptions within copyright law outlining the permitted uses of a computer program.

In essence, if you have to copy the ORIGINAL ELEMENTS in order to sucessfully reverse engineer a program, it is still legal and under law. (See Section 117 of the Copyright Act)

However, to be honest this could go either way in court because even though Blizzard states in their Terms of Use that you will not reverse engineer their product, that still goes against what US law says. Also, if the makers of the emulator never have to accept the Terms of Use (someone else tests the emulator) then this clause is useless. In addition, I don't think US courts would want to set a precedent for allowing Terms of Use to override US law.

[Pedregon]

I agree with Vindicated.
Also to inform everyone else ..
The reason I copied and Pasted this was to inform you of information
that was what I thought was interesting.
Not to get flamed,make a argument whether the thread is wrong or not.

[Henkke]

Find a wormwhole around the reverse engineering, be in court becouse of the next thing.
And in courts money matters not laws.
And as for Pedregon, so everyone should just have thanked you +repped and say nothing else?
Isin't it better that it woke up some conversation..

[Pedregon]

I don't care about rep.Damn.
I was just sharing the information.

[Vindicated]

Find a wormwhole around the reverse engineering, be in court becouse of the next thing.
And in courts money matters not laws.
And as for Pedregon, so everyone should just have thanked you +repped and say nothing else?
Isin't it better that it woke up some conversation..

Are you stipulating that the laws are just there for no reason? That they don't even matter? That they serve no function whatsoever? I hope your not right, or the entire justice system is destroyed.

And if laws don't matter, then it doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal? Although you still claim it is illegal yet you do not believe the laws have any standing. Makes tons of sense.

[Henkke]

Are you stipulating that the laws are just there for no reason? That they don't even matter? That they serve no function whatsoever? I hope your not right, or the entire justice system is destroyed.

And if laws don't matter, then it doesn't matter if it is legal or illegal? Although you still claim it is illegal yet you do not believe the laws have any standing. Makes tons of sense.

No, i ment that in court, it doesnt matter who broke the law and who not, since the one with more money will win the case.
Only in the most highest court you can have the real diplomatic law system, in other courts the one who has more money and thus lobbyes more wins basically.
Offcourse you can leave the most extreme examples out of this, but if you'd had a case Blizzard vs any private server, blizzard would win 100%, no matter even if the private server would twist the reality and make it be legal law wise.

A good real example is the Piratebay trial. Piratebay won the case law wise 100%, since the prosecutor couldnt prove a single point true, that piratebay would have broken the law, but who won that? Well, the prosecutor and all the big companies behind it.