Modifying Reputation Power Caps

[Parog]

As some of you may have noticed, the max reputation you can give may be lower than the reputation power shown in your userCP.

I am making this suggestion based on the information given in the ownedcore handbook. It is either outdated or it's a site bug that reputation power doesn't add up like it shows in userCP. From my understanding there is a reputation power cap based on the user rank. I find this is a bad idea, and I will elaborate on it. Forgive me if any of this information is wrong, as it isn't written anywhere as far as I know.

please take this suggestion as constructive criticism, as I am only looking to further improve the community.






What I would like is to see OwnedCore consider one of the following, as well as updating the handbook:

1. Removing Reputation Power cap for some higher user ranks. (IE: Elite+ or Legendary+ or Elder+)
2. Removing Reputation Power cap for ALL users, and limit the amount of rep given in a 24 hour period. (Using the actual amount of reputation points you're giving, not the amount of users you've given it to.)
3. Without touching reputation power caps; Change the limit of rep given in a 24 hour period so it uses the actual amount of points, and allow users that have a bigger reputation power than the cap to use more points in that 24 hour period based on how much over the cap they are.
4. Nerf reputation power once more so the amount displayed in UserCP doesn't go over the cap of what you can give. (Please don't be another Blizzard)

Information missing in the handbook:

• What are the different reputation caps for each rank? As well as explaining the idea behind the caps.
• How is reputation given limited in a day? Per different users you give reputation to or per single reputation point you give overall in the day?

As someone with the legendary rank, I can say for a fact, rep power matters a lot more to me than rep itself. Reputation was meant to make this forum be somewhat self-managed by users. It works, up until you reach a rank where you have nothing to look forward to, because you're rep power capped anyway, and are limited in giving an incentive to the people who do contribute in the sections you care about.

I get the idea that if I was able to give +13 rep to someone, they'd only have to get repped 7 times to reach contributor. Where is the problem? There's not that many people who can give that much rep, I can't rep that person the next day, and those of us who do know for the most part how to use our reputation power to promote a healthy forum environment. I remember becoming a lot more active when I reached contributor and I think that goes for a lot of users.









Lets look at the pros of the suggestions from earlier:


1 - Removing Reputation Power cap for some higher user ranks. (IE: Elite+ or Legendary+ or Elder+)

• Gives an extra incentive for users who have already reached a rank higher than most to keep posting content. This has been an ongoing problem for as long as I can remember. Most of us with higher ranks post things that DO help the community grow in a healthy way.

2 - Removing Reputation Power cap for ALL users, and limit the amount of rep given in a 24 hour period using the actual amount of reputation points you're giving, not the amount of users you've given it to.)

• As of right now, there isn't a point in giving 1 rep if you can give 7. The users now become responsible to use their allowed daily amount of rep points a day wisely based on the quality of the content.
• It would encourage people who spend a lot of time on their releases to post here. The amount given for a copy paste thread will not be the same as the amount given for a free bot release by a developer. There's something fundamentally flawed about paying 5$ for a guide and making it all the way to legendary without working for it. Does that ring a bell?

3 - Without touching reputation power caps; Change the limit of rep given in a 24 hour period so it uses the actual amount of points, and allow users that have a bigger reputation power than the cap to use more points in that 24 hour period based on how much over the cap they are.

• Same as above, just a different way to go about it.
• This would also prevent people jumping ranks too fast, as the cap will still be there, however the user with a bigger amount of rep power isn't penalized anymore. I personally like this solution the best.

4 - Nerf reputation power once more so the amount displayed in UserCP doesn't go over the cap of what you can give. (Please don't be another Blizzard)

• Not a whole lot of pros here... Please don't do this. It would only be a setback for us higher-ups and the community. There is nothing wrong with adapting to the community growing up in size and having more reputation points being exchanged by users every day. People want to move forward with any progress, including OwnedCore.

[Igzz]

I thought this was pretty well written and thought out. I support it.

[KuRIoS]

1 - Removing Reputation Power cap for some higher user ranks. (IE: Elite+ or Legendary+ or Elder+)

• Gives an extra incentive for users who have already reached a rank higher than most to keep posting content. This has been an ongoing problem for as long as I can remember. Most of us with higher ranks post things that DO help the community grow in a healthy way.

The rep power cap does increase with each rank, we have yet to decide on what max should be on Elder rank, it wont be removed though.

2 - Removing Reputation Power cap for ALL users, and limit the amount of rep given in a 24 hour period using the actual amount of reputation points you're giving, not the amount of users you've given it to.)

• As of right now, there isn't a point in giving 1 rep if you can give 7. The users now become responsible to use their allowed daily amount of rep points a day wisely based on the quality of the content.
• It would encourage people who spend a lot of time on their releases to post here. The amount given for a copy paste thread will not be the same as the amount given for a free bot release by a developer. There's something fundamentally flawed about paying 5$ for a guide and making it all the way to legendary without working for it. Does that ring a bell?

But our users in general aren't that wise and you know that. You would be surprised from seeing how many people press a "Dispute button" when a trade is successful. It may be flawed, but it is supply and demand, you can receive max 100 rep for one thread now though.

3 - Without touching reputation power caps; Change the limit of rep given in a 24 hour period so it uses the actual amount of points, and allow users that have a bigger reputation power than the cap to use more points in that 24 hour period based on how much over the cap they are.

• Same as above, just a different way to go about it.
• This would also prevent people jumping ranks too fast, as the cap will still be there, however the user with a bigger amount of rep power isn't penalized anymore. I personally like this solution the best.

Much better suggestion. I am not aware of how you can be over the cap as the cap is 100 rep per thread and I have yet to see someone being able to give 110 rep

4 - Nerf reputation power once more so the amount displayed in UserCP doesn't go over the cap of what you can give. (Please don't be another Blizzard)

• Not a whole lot of pros here... Please don't do this. It would only be a setback for us higher-ups and the community. There is nothing wrong with adapting to the community growing up in size and having more reputation points being exchanged by users every day. People want to move forward with any progress, including OwnedCore.

could you show a screenshot of rep power in user cp vs in threads?

The handbook is managed by users, if you feel like updating that info, please give it a go and we will edit it.

Do NOT post anything like "I agree with this suggestion" and so on. We have noticed it and it will be discussed in staff along with other suggestions. It makes it harder for us to read the points of the thread when we have to zigzag between "I agree" "good call" "I vote up" etc etc

[Confucius]

This is the difference in rep power vs rep cap that Parog means KuRIoS:






Currently, the maximum amount of a rep a normal user can give is 7, even if their rep power has increased beyond that by the system described in the handbook.

[KuRIoS]

This is the difference in rep power vs rep cap that Parog means KuRIoS:






Currently, the maximum amount of a rep a normal user can give is 7, even if their rep power has increased beyond that by the system described in the handbook.

Yeah I saw after I posted, the rep power will soon be 10 for elders

[Thomja]

I do not want negative rep options.

Having negative rep discourages constructive criticism as people will just be afraid to post because they might get negative repped. Alot of other forums have this is it just stupid imo.

As soon as someone says something someone not agreeing might just get immature and neg rep them.

[KuRIoS]

I do not want negative rep options.

Having negative rep discourages constructive criticism as people will just be afraid to post because they might get negative repped. Alot of other forums have this is it just stupid imo.

As soon as someone says something someone not agreeing might just get immature and neg rep them.

legendaries and up can give very little negative rep, but it also results in a report in report section... so someone who is abusing it will have those powers removed.. with great power comes great responsibility

[Maccer]

I don't have any comments about the given suggestion, but I'll post this here since this is a reputation discussion.. I'd like you guys to fix this typo which has been bothering me for a while now:

[Parog]

I do not want negative rep options.

Having negative rep discourages constructive criticism as people will just be afraid to post because they might get negative repped. Alot of other forums have this is it just stupid imo.

As soon as someone says something someone not agreeing might just get immature and neg rep them.

Using negative rep counts as using rep in the 24h period, so most of us don't use it unless something REALLY wrong is done. It's more effective than infractions when used right, as people care about their reputation for the most part and they know when they've done something wrong. I personally only use it when someone posts with the only intent to stir shit up or slandering. As KuRIoS said, it shows up in the reports forum and the staff monitors how we use this.

I don't have any comments about the given suggestion, but I'll post this here since this is a reputation discussion.. I'd like you guys to fix this typo which has been bothering me for a while now:

YES! That simple typo makes us look a bit unprofessional.



Thank you for your feedback everyone. I like the idea of the cap being 10 for elder. Are you able to let us know how the maximum reputation given per 24 hour is calculated? I've received feedback from a few other legendaries who haven't posted here about the rep power cap. So far all of us agree that sitting above the reputation power cap is a "turn off" to contributing more as we can't use the additional rep power anyway.

I wouldn't mind helping figure out how to implement the 3rd suggestion once we know how it currently works.

[KuRIoS]

Using negative rep counts as using rep in the 24h period, so most of us don't use it unless something REALLY wrong is done. It's more effective than infractions when used right, as people care about their reputation for the most part and they know when they've done something wrong. I personally only use it when someone posts with the only intent to stir shit up or slandering. As KuRIoS said, it shows up in the reports forum and the staff monitors how we use this.




YES! That simple typo makes us look a bit unprofessional.



Thank you for your feedback everyone. I like the idea of the cap being 10 for elder. Are you able to let us know how the maximum reputation given per 24 hour is calculated? I've received feedback from a few other legendaries who haven't posted here about the rep power cap. So far all of us agree that sitting above the reputation power cap is a "turn off" to contributing more as we can't use the additional rep power anyway.

I wouldn't mind helping figure out how to implement the 3rd suggestion once we know how it currently works.

The only option to change the fact that you arent "Above" rep power is to change the way it is calculated (meaning nerfing your rep power) OR remove it from usercp
The limit will not be lifted..

That typo is hiaious , we don't use r's.. Will look at fixing it haha

EDIT: Fixed

[Parog]

The only option to change the fact that you arent "Above" rep power is to change the way it is calculated (meaning nerfing your rep power) OR remove it from usercp
The limit will not be lifted..

You're not getting what I'm trying to say lol. Although it was one of the suggestions the 3rd idea is not to uncap the rep power. I'll use numbers to show what I mean.

Say currently we can rep 5 users each 24 hours and that I have 13 rep power. I am able to give 7 reputation per user. That allows me to give 35 reputation points per day. So the total reputation allowed to be given per day is 5*7 = 35. (Times allowed to rep users * Rep power cap = Total reputation allowed to be given in 24 hours)

What I'm suggesting is taking the remaining reputation power that is over the cap, and add it to what can be given in a day times the amount of times we can rep, not to what can be given in a single post. With that in place, say we can rep 5 users each 23 hours and that I have 13 rep power. I am able to give 7 reputation per user. (The cap wasn't touched) but now, I am able to give 65 reputation points around. The total reputation allowed to be given per day is (5*7)+(5*(13-7))=65 ------------- (Times allowed to rep users * Rep power cap) + (Times allowed to rep users * ( Total reputation power - rep power cap)) = Total reputation allowed to be given in 24 hours)

The cap remains, but we can now spread more reputation around as we have earned the right to do so. Otherwise it really doesn't make any sense to keep on posting once you reach that cap.


An even better way of doing it, and it was what I was suggesting, is to calculate the amount of rep we can give each day based on maximum reputation allowed to be given per day, not per maximum times allowed to rep per day. That would allow me (using myself as an example) to rep 65 users for 1 reputation points if I wanted to. Currently, if I rep 5 person for 1 point each, I can't rep anyone else. Currently the way rep power is set up makes it so that there is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON not to rep people for the full amount of rep you can give them.

[KuRIoS]

the cap and spread will not be changed as it is right now Parog. I DO get what you are saying, but I quite frankly dont agree.. The best thing is to remove "rep power" from usercp, that way there are no angry faces.

The reason for this is that we have tried multiple things and what we have now works the best. The rest was abused by retards who reptraded or simply abused the system.

We will discuss your proposal at next staff meeting, but I dont see a change happening.

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