Ferag's WotLK Warrior Guide (A Must Read)

[Khalts]

I will +rep you for 2 main points:
- you used part of your lifetime to write this and did it well ^^
- i will roll a warrior on LK ;P me has wish for tanking >.<

+2 rep nice guide helped a lot :3

[Ferag]

Thanks for the appreciation guys, glad I could help some of you.

[blackfang500]

Very well done, I don't even need it, but I read almost the whole thing. +Repx2.

[Ferag]

nice guide you have there but a little improvement to your arms spec i would say that Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft is better with the new slam changes that it no longer resets wepon swing timer. and most of the time its the arms warriors job to do demo shout becuse its waste of GCD for the tank to do it.
check www.nihilum.eu's forums under raid there is alot about warriors spec gear and shit like that been using that site for specs and other shit entire BC.

one more thing in WOTLK arms up til 25man naxx, malygos and sartharion arms will be best dps spec thus contributing more dps to the raid. at the gear level after those the fury warrior would do more dps then the arms warrior.

just my 2 cent

p.s might not be that well written but its 11.00 in the morning at my house so quite tired and dont bother check for spelling mistakes


quote zooki nihilum"The best raiding spec at Naxx/Malygos/Sartharion level is arms Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft . As we progress, Titan's Grip will most likely become better with higher quality gear."

Like I said, I don't know much about Arms/Fury because I don't care very much about them and they have hardly changed.

Good post though, thanks for the info.

[Vig]

Very nice guide and nice info, was lazy to look ot up myself.
But there is one thing i disagree with that is ur talents, the stuff u say yes too are just sometimes terrible for a tank specc.
This is the specc i'm aiming for pve tanking:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Btw improved discipline could be changed with improved revenge.

[Optron]

really nice m8, im thinking to go prot in Woltk and this comes usefull.
although the changes to fury makes me thinking to level as it.

this will be mine build at lvl 70 http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LVZhZVIprx0zidIzsGo

and maybe somthing like this at 80 http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=LAM00bZhZVItrxMzidIzsGo

will depend on the dual-spec feature also witch u choose, like build for 5man and for 25 man.
maybe will drop imp HS when i get glyph of revenge..etc

[Ferag]

Very nice guide and nice info, was lazy to look ot up myself.
But there is one thing i disagree with that is ur talents, the stuff u say yes too are just sometimes terrible for a tank specc.
This is the specc i'm aiming for pve tanking:
Talent Calculator - World of Warcraft
Btw improved discipline could be changed with improved revenge.

No, just... no.

Improved Disciplines is useless. You don't need that one minute less on Shield Wall. You hardly ever use Shield Wall. Like I said, if you need to use it that much... just no.

Also, Blood Craze. As a tank, you should NEVER, EVER be crit by a mob. Therefor making it useless as well. Cruelty is a thousand million times better than Booming Voice, so that's also wrong. Unbridled Wrath... this talent is okay, but just okay. You could be getting Improved Revenge or Incite or Improved Thunder Clap (!!!!) instead of that. It's a waste of talent points, seeing as how rage is no issue in WotLK.

Iron Will is worse than Improved Charge. With Imp Charge and Warbringer, that's a lot of rage during the fight whenever you need it.

As for your protection tree... Improved Thunder Clap is a must get talent. With it, Thunder Clap provides ~15% damage reduction on a melee boss. If the boss swings 20% slower on his white hits (usually 80-90% of damage on a melee boss). The only thing it doesn't migitate is the special abilities. Not getting Incite... is just dumb. That's 15% chance to do double damage on Thunder Clap, Cleave and Heroic Strike, all of which you use quite a lot while tanking. For only three points it is a necessity.

Just use my talents if you're going prot.

Like I said, Arms/Fury I don't know too much, but prot I know a lot.

Thanks for the positive replies the rest of you though.

[Synegh]

Also, some more stuff.
Parry > Dodge. You get less % per rating from Parry, but when you Parry the speed of you next attack is increased by ~40%. However, you cannot Parry attacks from the back, you can only Dodge or be missed. That’s one of the reasons you should keep mobs in front of you. Also so you can Shockwave them.

Lol. You're wrong.

18.9 Dodge Rating = 1% Avoidance
23.65 Parry Rating = 1% Avoidance
You get 5 gem slots

5x 10 Parry Rating = 50/23.65 = 2.11% Avoidance
5x 10 Dodge Rating = 50/18.9 = 2.65% Avoidance


So, there’s an obvious Avoidance advantage for Dodge gems, but we already knew that and the Parry advocates admit that. Parry advocates claim is always the same… Parry provides threat. Dodge doesn’t.


5x 10 Parry Rating = 50/23.65 = 2.11% Avoidance
4x 10 Dodge Rating = 40/18.9 = 2.11% Avoidance


That’s right it only takes 4 Dodge gems to give the equivalent amount of Avoidance that 5 Parry gems offers. Literally you are wasting a full Avoidance socket by pursuing Parry over Dodge. Guess what though…


1x 10 Hit Rating = 10/15.8 = 0.63% Hit Chance


You’re also wasting a full Threat socket too. Anytime I look over the math of anyone trying to attempt to show how much rage or how much threat based on their weapon damage Parry is achieving, it’s always just an endless sea of assumptions that really just don’t amount to anything tangible.

You can say that socketing for parry or preferring parry is better, but you're simply wrong. The base parry chance you get + the parry chance you get from the talent is more than enough, every other time dodge should take priority. ALWAYS.

[Vig]

Booming Voices is a must have since most all buffs have become raidwide, getting this can help the raid for an other hp buff. Also Blood Craze is something u just need, since u wont be having full epic @lvl80 with immune to crit etc.. And also improved discipline could be changed with improved revenge if u dislike the 1min cd reduction. And imoroved charge is something u prefer to use, i never use charge in raids tho, thunderclap to get the first agro and after normal tanking. Tho the imp thunderclap could be good, but not that wonderfull in tanking!

[Last-Hope]

The Almighty Wall of text!!

[SystemFailure101]

um... no...

[dmc22]

I play a prot war and im noob to it so +RAPE from me XD

[Ferag]

Lol. You're wrong.
...[blah blah blah]...
You can say that socketing for parry or preferring parry is better, but you're simply wrong. The base parry chance you get + the parry chance you get from the talent is more than enough, every other time dodge should take priority. ALWAYS.

No, you're wrong.

Parry is better than dodge because it gives you a 40% increased attack speed on your next swing if your swing is less than 60% done, and a 20% increased attack speed if your swing is more than 60% complete.

That is why Parry is better than dodge. I said that you get less % avoidance from Parry, and I think I also stated that the best gems do not include Parry at all.

One more thing, I don't believe you took into consideration diminishing returns. With diminishing returns, you WILL find that Parry will eventually give you more % avoidance per rating point because you have so much dodge rating that each additinonal point is practically useless due to diminishing returns.

@ the person who thinks providing a raid buff is better than surviving and actually tanking the boss...
You can get another Warrior into your raid to use Commanding Shout if it matters that much. Seeing as how BoM and BS don't stack your DPS Warrior(s) can use CS without fear of reduced DPS. Also, you may think that Imp TC is not that useful, but you're dead wrong. Ask any tank who knows their stuff. Blood Craze... if you're even tanking a Heroic while not crit immune, you should just quit tanking right then.

Really guys, I know what I'm talking about.

Thanks for the rep and nice comments those of you who made them though, it's appreciated.

[frankieboi]

i dont like your idea of the AoE tanking,
i prefer myself using a Thunderclaps first then shockwave, demo shout then thunder claps should be ready again.

[bigpapa]

The Fury Arms DPS rotation wasn't close to correct, nor was the Blood Frenzy Arms DPS rotation. Other than that, it looks solid. Seems you put a lot of time into it.