[Guide]Rogue Duelling Gude!

[da_bizkit]

Here i will write some of the tactics i use while dueling. There is no way to tell how the opposing enemy will react and because of that i am using the most common tactics against the most common "counter moves" you will face. The guild might not be perfect, you might prefer to use another tactics for dueling but thats at least what i do. Suggestions are welcome. I am just trying to contribute to get some more rep =) Please don't be so harsh on me as this is my first guide and I used a lot of time to write it.

The Spec!:

PvP/Dueling/Arena is this one: hxxp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhe0oxZZxMjoMGRsxst

Another good variation of the spec is to go 20/0/41 something like this, it is really up to your gameplay style you have 3 points left to spend. The best suggestions are to go for expose armor (i won't use it in this guide), Murder or Vile Poisons. Ofcourse improved Gouge is always an option too: hxxp://www.wowhead.com/?talent=fhe0oxZZxrfoMGRoxst

Enchants! + some additional good gear:

I personally prefer going for as much as possible attack power.
Helm: Cenarion Expedition exalted enchant, if it has metasocket go for 24AP + minor run speed.
Shoulders: Aldor/Scryer enchant (preferably Aldor)
Necklace: hxxp://www.wowhead.com/?item=34679 if you are exalted with aldor, otherwise - vindicators!
Cloak: + 12 agility
Armor: +6 all stats
Bracers: 24 AP
Gloves: 26 AP
Pants: Nethercobra leg armor
Boots: 12 agility
Ring: Angelista's Revenge hxxp://www.wowhead.com/?item=34887 is really good choice + Vindicator one.
Insignia is a must! The second trinket could be either battlemaster with AP + healing, or Bloodlust's Brotch or its upgraded version that drops from Zul'Jin in ZA if you have access to a good raiding guild.

The Fights!:

Rogue vs Rogue!

In this fight if you're human you have great advantage. Use this perception, it really helps =) You should have the tallent for the increased stealth detection and if you use the engineering goggles you become anti-stealth radar. This helps a lot in arenas and in duel situations. In these fights the first who gets the opening hit is the winner in 80% of the time.

The actual fight:
You should get the first hit. I always go for perception + sap spam using this macro

#showtooltip Sap
/console targetNearestDistance 10.000000
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/console targetNearestDistance 41.000000

After you get the sap open with Premeditation, Cheap Shot (you can use macro for that one too

#show premeditation
/cast Premeditation
/cast Cheap Shot

At this point in the best case scenario you will have 5 combo points. After this what you want to do is Shadowstep + Eviscerate. Hit him once with Hemorrhage, right after that hit Rupture and VANISH! If you're fast enough you should be able to do all of these steps before the Cheapshot stun is over. After that you will hit "Sprint" because you don't want him to run away. The rupture won't allow him to run away or vanish. Wait a few seconds to regenerate energy, than open with Cheapshot into Kidney Shot and pop Evasion in case he try to Gouge you.. If he trinkets this is the time to Blind him asap. If he manages to blind you don't hesitate to use your insignia and blind him on your own. Restealth if possible after your blind and repeat those steps with Preparation. This should be enough to win you the fight. If not - you will still be at 100% and he will be around 10-15% so you will just need to finish him off =)

Rogue vs Warlock

The most warlocks you will duel will start with Voidwalker. Don't be affraid he's not that scary as it looks. You want to open with Premeditation + Cheapshot again. 99% of the warlocks won't trinket here because they will wait for the kidney shot. DPS him with eviscerate, spam 2 hemmos and kidneyshot him. THey will trinket it right away. At this point i always use CLoS because in 99% of the cases the next thing that follows is "Death Coil" so you will resist it =) During the CLoS duration spam your damage on him. When the CLoS is at less than 1 second just vanish. You should not have any Dots on you. Than if he starts to bandage Cheapshot him and go for as much hemorrhages as you have. He should not have Deathcoil or if he has it - now is the moment he will use it. If you think you're fast enough with the fingers, if he DeathCoils you will use insignia, shadowstep behind him and kick (because he will be casting fear already). If he don't have Death Coil he will try to kite you and dot you, but the crippling poisons on him won't allow him to run away. If he try to fear - you can kick him, if you miss - insignia. He will be near the point when he will sacrifice his pet. If you did used your cloak of shadows just continue dpsing him. If you missed the DC part or he surprised you with the trinket + DC you should still have your Clos ready. When he sacrifices his Voidwalker you will blind him, use Clos and bandage. You will have enough time to restealth and finish him with stunlock.

Rogue vs Mage:

Open with Sap, this will give you time to position yourself. Open with premeditation + cheapshot. If the mage blinks - shadowstep + kidney. If he don't - just eviscerate him. At this point he will frostnova + blink + summon elemental most probably. This is the hardest scenario. Try to vanish and just wait till the elemental is dead. If he doesn't start bandaging he will start soon, so get near him (not too close cause the AoE = not good) and try to sap him when he gets out of combat. Just lure him around till the elemental dies. After that you might want to repeat the first steps you took. When you blind him he will most probably use Iceblock. THan you will stop attack and wait in front of him. If he removes the iceblock earlyer - gouge, if he waits for the full duration this will give you time to restealth. Opening with Garrote after the iceblock is priceless. The silence and the damage you can drop on him are really, really good. This will get him really low. From there on you can improvise using preparation and over the game with CS into Eviscerate or ShS KS if he blinks.

Rogue VS Warrior:

This is one of the hardest duel situation. Your Goal - Don't let him hit you. Hamstring will screw you hard. How to do it ? If he's orc don't even bother trying to stun him. It is act of desperation. If he's another race you might want to give it a chance. The crucial thing in here are the bleeds + Crippling poison. Open with Sap and if hes in battle stance you can continue into Sprint + premeditation + garrote + rupture than you run away and restealth. You should be able to do this while the sap holds and before it breaks you will be far away for his intercept. In berserker stance he might get out of the sap and thats why you need to stay away from him after the sap cause he will break it and yell to get you out of stealth. After the yell you might want to wait few seconds and resap him. Than do what i wrote few rows up. After the garrote is over start with Cheapshot + hemmo + hemmo + rupture. Try to kite him with crippling poison. Stay away from his melee range but still close so he won't intercept you. This requires a lot of training to perfect but it is doable. Wait for him to use his AoE abillities, trying to get you. Vanish + Cheapshot/Garrote, Evasion, Ghostly strike, DMG DMG DMG... After that you should check if you have Bleed on you. If you don't just vanish, preparation and finish him with some combos. If you have bleed kite him around till the bleed is over and vanish + preparation + finish the job. Evasion + Ghostly strike helps a lot in this fight. Blind + Bandage too. If you're with bleed when you blind him wait till the blind is near its and and you will still have a time to Stealth + Sap him so you can bandage during that time.

Rogue vs Paladin!:

Proceed like against warrior. Just remember that if you evade his burst damage hes done. So pop evasion earlyer. Don't blind him before he uses his insignia on Kidney Shot and before he Bubbles. At the bubble what you want is to run away because than he will start to heal. You can also vanish and open with some stuns + damage, than Blind him and bandage yourself. Restealth, sap, hit him hard with hemmos and stuns and it should be over. This is a hard fight tho, because the Bubble is bitch. If he goes for his "Thing with angel wings damage dealer something" (don't know the real name of that spell ) it is best for you, cause most probably you will evade it if evasion is up, and CLoS to resist the spell dmg.

Rogue vs Hunter!:

This is one of the hardest duels. If the hunter stands RIGHT ON TOP OF THE TRAP. It is impossible to hit him with melee without triggering the trap. You can shadowstep sap him, but than the flare will reveal you and the pet will start to attack. You can also shadowstep + Cheapshot him but than you will activate the trap. I can't tell which trap he will be using so this is a little bit hard to explain as a tactic. The basics are: Try not to get scattershot - trapped. If you do - after he hits you with the next shot ASAP shadowstep behind him and kidney shot. If he's a beastmaster when he and his pet turn red - VANISH and run away. Don't forget to check if you have poison from him. In that case use CLoS first. Another thing to remember is that CLoS makes you resist his freezing traps, use this advantage you have. Once the trap is gone activate sprint and evasion and give him a nice damage. From here it is very simple, you have two sprint+evasion with preparation. Kill him before they run out. Dual crippling poison is very important in this duel.
Improved Wingclip sometimes will immobilize you, don’t be afraid to hit preparation and blind to prevent from him getting out of range. Stoneform from Dwarf make them immune to cripple poison for 20 seconds. Fortunately most people play night elves.

Rogue vs Shaman:

I can't say much for this fight cause of the variations of the shamans specs. The nastiest one is probably Restoration. Against elemental - just stunlock them, use Cloak of shadows when they try to damage you, vanish afterthat, stun again, preparation, use your CDs.

Against Enhancement: Just use your 2 evasion + ghostly strikes, your Cloak of shadows and they won't be able to do a thing against you.

Restoration are the biggest pain. For the poisons you might want to go for mind nubling + crippling. When they drop a fire totem try to hit it fast. On heals use all you got to interrupt. Kick, Gouge, Kidneyshot even Blind might help if you're out of choices. Don't let them run away from you. Garrote after vanish is a good help. If you can not destroy the fire totem in time CLoS and forget about it. In this fight you might need to get lucky too. Remember to always watch your energy and have enough for kick.

Rogue vs Druid!:

All you need in this fight is patience. Resto or not if he is in cat form try to get the first stun. Than go into kidney shot which he will trinket probably. Blind, repeat. If he starts the fight as a bear, Open with Cheapshot and proceed into Rupture + Evasion + Ghostly strike. Don't let him run away. If he bashes you and switch to druid form, trying to cyclone you use insignia ASAP and Blind him. If you catch him in druid form after he used his insignia the duel is WIN for you. Cheapshot, Hemmo, Hemmo, Kidney SHot, Hemmo Hemmo, Vanish, Cheapshot / Garrote, and that should be it. If he manages to get away Shadowstep behind him and Shiv for crippling poison. Thats pretty much it.

Rogue vs Shadow Priest:

Proceed like against warlock. It has almost no difference, just remember that he has 1 fear and hes AoE. This will most likely come on the place of locks "Death Coil"

[Tatertots]

Rogue vs Hunter!:

This is one of the hardest duels. If the hunter stands RIGHT ON TOP OF THE TRAP. It is impossible to hit him with melee without triggering the trap. You can shadowstep sap him, but than the flare will reveal you and the pet will start to attack. You can also shadowstep + Cheapshot him but than you will activate the trap. I can't tell which trap he will be using so this is a little bit hard to explain as a tactic. The basics are: Try not to get scattershot - trapped. If you do - after he hits you with the next shot ASAP shadowstep behind him and kidney shot. If he's a beastmaster when he and his pet turn red - VANISH and run away. Don't forget to check if you have poison from him. In that case use vanish first. Another thing to remember is that CLoS makes you resist his freezing traps, use this advantage you have. Once the trap is gone activate sprint and evasion and give him a nice damage. From here it is very simple, you have two sprint+evasion with preparation. Kill him before they run out. Dual crippling poison is very important in this duel.
Improved Wingclip sometimes will immobilize you, don’t be afraid to hit preparation and blind to prevent from him getting out of range. Stoneform from Dwarf make them immune to cripple poison for 20 seconds. Fortunately most people play night elves.

Lol... use Clos as your Sstep and use garrote cause they will BW out of your stuns... This guide really isnt that decent.

[evann]

Nice stuff, after reading this i actually beat a 70 Alliance Warrior with a 70 UD Priest healing me ofcourse (at lvl 61) It was pretty intense, i'll +Rep when i can... good stuff!

[kouray]

Thanks, useful for my reroll, +rep and bookmark

[outlaw999]

Waste ur CLoS to open garrote? LoL waste? If he's a BM he will have like wtf hp... BEEF, if you know what i mean.

Save your CLoS for his Poison or Hunter's Mark (CLoS+Vanish), omg saved ur life.

Play more Rogue.

Shadow priest and warlock, Yes very big different.

[bobzzzz]

druid > rogue nuf said aboilsh poison hots and moonfire spam = gg
or feral (just use tanking gear) = GG

[unixtreme]

inserting general rules for player versus player seems a bit optimist to mi, every player has hes own gameplay style and basing a duel in: "youre human, you win other rogues" its not enough for me, sorry.

PS: theres no good human rogue
PPS: if he uses insignia + vanish on the CS and gets you your combo doesn't work, thats why i prefer to use the first 5 CP for a rupture that does more overall damage than an eviscerate. and oh! keep shadowstep for another situation... rogue vs rogue duels usually arent as easy as: "you enter you win".

[Brochkids]

its easy for me to beat rogues on my pally >.> even when im in s1 n they r in s3

[da_bizkit]

Waste ur CLoS to open garrote? LoL waste? If he's a BM he will have like wtf hp... BEEF, if you know what i mean.

Save your CLoS for his Poison or Hunter's Mark (CLoS+Vanish), omg saved ur life.

You don't need to use your CLoS to get rid of his Hunter's Mark! Vanish is enough. Play More Rogue Also as i said when he uses his Beast Mastery - Vanish and run away till it wears out After that he is 1 dead Hunter.

For the priest battle... the way to proceed against shadow priests is the same like against warlocks. There is no big difference in the way you fight them.

@Unixtreme there are good human rogues. Not every good rogue is undead you know... Few examples for good human rogues: Ming and HappyMinti, Tosan. Few Nightelves: Krymu, Niar (who rerolled undead rogue after), Adrasil (He was one of the highest rated players more than a month ago. The rogue from the team who won the first blizzard tournament, tho i can't find him in the armory atm). Good undead rogues: Neilyo, Acrono (now known as Acro), Buddhist, Grim, Akrios... Yes most of the good rogues are Undeads but don't forget that nothing is limited to 1 race.

As i said this is the way i fight. I prefer to use shadowstep cause of the extra burst of damage. I am with full s3, 2010 AP unbuffed and i have speced for high burst damage. I hit the shadowstep eviscerate less than a 6 seconds after i break stealth, which gives me additional bonus damage. The rupture i use later on is just to don't allow him to stealth.

[Messages]

Against Rogues:

Spam Sap, Cheap Shot (Without breaking Sap) Restealth -> Garrote (5 Cps) Rupture -> Vanish -> (Let him bleed) -> Cheap Shot -> Hemo Spam -> Kidney Shot -> Rupture (Remaining combo points) -> Sprint -> Kite with Shadowstep -> Pewpew.

[Alloaaa]

I dont play a rogue but thx anyways

[kimzon]

rly nice guid thank you

[nikomo]

You must be dueling some really shitty hunters.

[Vandir]

Against druids this wouldn't work well. You didn't even mention Moonkin form!

Also, what if they were in Bear form and used Demoralizing Roar to get you out of stealth? And they can do other things than Bash you, such as Cyclone, Maim, Entangle, or (if they're lucky) get off a Starfire stun. You can't use your Trinket every time they do that.

I noticed you also relied on using Blind twice. Is the battle really going to last longer than 3.5 minutes?

And 'if he runs away', to Shadowstep and use Shiv to get on a Crippling Poison. First of all, you've just wasted a cooldown. They'll just use Travel form again or switch to Bear/Moonkin. Shapeshifting removes the druid of Crippling Poison and other movement impairing effects.

You also won't be able to Vanish with Faerie Fire or Faerie Fire Feral on you, as this won't let you stealth. Faerie Fire and Faerie Fire Feral last 40 seconds with a low mana cost or a six-second cooldown. You'll also have a nice time Vanishing with the bleeds or DoTs on you.

Have a nice time beating a druid.

[issacobra]

You don't need to use your CLoS to get rid of his Hunter's Mark! Vanish is enough.

you fail. This guide is not that great at all. Evis = almost never used but you use it almost all the time... here. if you want to learn how to play a rogue 1v1 read
WoW Forums -> **Ultimus Rogue PvP Guide**
that's how I got good.