30$ per hour? Really?

[Nov17]

I was asking around for 3v3 coaching to "rent" or "hire" a gladiator healer or a gladiator dps to play together and "use" their skills.

It seems most of them are charging well over $30 per hour.

In countries where (minimum) wage is 8$ or 10$ per hour like USA or UK
In countries were you spent a good $20000 into education, solving top notch math, algorithms, studying countless hours to get payed less than $30 per hour.
In countries that the hourly rate is as low as 3$ per hour and educated people earn 10$/hour max.

Is it outrageous to ask $30++ per hour?
Is it a lobby, that shames anyone who might ask for less?
Do these players actually have *such* high demand to raise their rates, meaning they "coach" 10 hours per day to justify the price or do they actually only ever sell as low as 5 hours per week, but refuse to drop the rate?

I am not interested in flame wars. I am interested in a discussion.

Finally would/will I find anyone for what I consider a "fair" rate at 15$ per hour?

[chaserbl]

Can I ask you something?
What do you want to get from that "playing with PRO"

Rating boost?
Skill boost?

Really curious? To coach you in pvp?

[Nov17]

Can I ask you something?
What do you want to get from that "playing with PRO"

Rating boost?
Skill boost?

Really curious? To coach you in pvp?

Skill boost, to play with someone that will do less mistakes than your average 2000-2200 player who thinks he is a primadona and will leave your team, cursing, after first defeat by your anti-comp.

[Smitten]

I charged more than $30/hour. Yes, people do pay it. It's not a full time job. It's something a lot of people do in-between piloting and boosting. Basically supplementary income.

[advanta]

I was asking around for 3v3 coaching to "rent" or "hire" a gladiator healer or a gladiator dps to play together and "use" their skills.

It seems most of them are charging well over $30 per hour.

In countries where (minimum) wage is 8$ or 10$ per hour like USA or UK
In countries were you spent a good $20000 into education, solving top notch math, algorithms, studying countless hours to get payed less than $30 per hour.
In countries that the hourly rate is as low as 3$ per hour and educated people earn 10$/hour max.

Is it outrageous to ask $30++ per hour?
Is it a lobby, that shames anyone who might ask for less?
Do these players actually have *such* high demand to raise their rates, meaning they "coach" 10 hours per day to justify the price or do they actually only ever sell as low as 5 hours per week, but refuse to drop the rate?

I am not interested in flame wars. I am interested in a discussion.

Finally would/will I find anyone for what I consider a "fair" rate at 15$ per hour?

In a capitalist economy people charge what people are prepared to pay. *

You get these discussions all the time. Are pro athletes paid too much? Is Pewdiepie paid too much? It is a bit pointless frankly. That's what the market has determined. What you or I think about it is meaningless.

In this case I actually think it is perfectly fair. It takes a long time to get good enough to win consistently at pvp. That's unprofitable downtime. You don't understand the commitment involved if you think this is comparable with an unskilled job. The higher wage is reimbursement for that downtime. In the same way doctors get paid more than burger flippers because they spent years studying medicine.

*Someone will probably point out there are monopoly situations and other distortions where this doesn't happen. That isn't true in this area.

[chaserbl]

Skill boost, to play with someone that will do less mistakes than your average 2000-2200 player who thinks he is a primadona and will leave your team, cursing, after first defeat by your anti-comp.

I'll give you free tour of skill boost in wow PVP:

1) Learn abilities from enemies, their cooldowns and durations
2) Find your best talents (pvp also) to counter certain combos
3) Play PVP till you master those two above

And that's how you avoid paying 30$ per hour to those "skill boosters" since they won't be able to give you skill boost, that's all up to you.

When you do that, you can easily reach 2k rating in PVP, after that you just look for better team mates.

p.s. don't forget to play something easy and low skill req to play in PVP atm, like warrior

[Nov17]

I'll give you free tour of skill boost in wow PVP:

1) Learn abilities from enemies, their cooldowns and durations
2) Find your best talents (pvp also) to counter certain combos
3) Play PVP till you master those two above

And that's how you avoid paying 30$ per hour to those "skill boosters" since they won't be able to give you skill boost, that's all up to you.

When you do that, you can easily reach 2k rating in PVP, after that you just look for better team mates.

p.s. don't forget to play something easy and low skill req to play in PVP atm, like warrior

I am already at duelist range mate.

[Smitten]

If you're at duelist, you can get Gladiator. The difference between Gladiator and Duelist is team coordination.

[Nov17]

In a capitalist economy people charge what people are prepared to pay. *

You get these discussions all the time. Are pro athletes paid too much? Is Pewdiepie paid too much? It is a bit pointless frankly. That's what the market has determined. What you or I think about it is meaningless.

In this case I actually think it is perfectly fair. It takes a long time to get good enough to win consistently at pvp. That's unprofitable downtime. You don't understand the commitment involved if you think this is comparable with an unskilled job. The higher wage is reimbursement for that downtime. In the same way doctors get paid more than burger flippers because they spent years studying medicine.

*Someone will probably point out there are monopoly situations and other distortions where this doesn't happen. That isn't true in this area.

But then again you get real life professionals who have invested much more time and money, than e-sports players in more pressuring environments than your living room, charging less. Not to mention programmers from india for example with the lowest rates ever.

[Nov17]

If you're at duelist, you can get Gladiator. The difference between Gladiator and Duelist is team coordination.

The question and the discussion is not about me or my skills. I hate when discussions get personal like "you suck", "no you" etc. :P

Is it unreasonable to ask to find someone good at a 15$ per hour ratio? Especially when you could potentially pay that dude 15-20 hours per week, in case someone is only finding clients for 5 hours per week at 30$ per hour ratio.

am I wrong to assume that they struggle to find regular customers at 30$ per hour?

[Smitten]

But then again you get real life professionals who have invested much more time and money, than e-sports players in more pressuring environments than your living room, charging less. Not to mention programmers from india for example with the lowest rates ever.

You're missing the point. Some people are happy to pay $30-$45/hour or more, so if people are paying it, why would we charge any less? All we'd be doing is selling ourselves short at that point. It's a niche market, and with a niche market comes niche market pricing.

I wouldn't even get out of bed for a $30/hour job, because that just isn't that much here. You'll find NA rates tend to be higher, because people have more disposable income. EU rates are generally middle of the pack because some countries have lower costs of living (though can go to NA pricing in higher wage countries), while some regions have incredibly cheap boosting and coaching prices because the cost of living is once again so low.

[Nov17]

You're missing the point. Some people are happy to pay $30-$45/hour or more, so if people are paying it, why would we charge any less? All we'd be doing is selling ourselves short at that point. It's a niche market, and with a niche market comes niche market pricing.

I wouldn't even get out of bed for a $30/hour job, because that just isn't that much here. You'll find NA rates tend to be higher, because people have more disposable income. EU rates are generally middle of the pack because some countries have lower costs of living (though can go to NA pricing in higher wage countries), while some regions have incredibly cheap boosting and coaching prices because the cost of living is once again so low.

let me ask you another question in order to understand.

Assuming there is 2000 gladiators worldwide, do they ALL have their schedule tight, due to supply and demand, to justify those rates? Shouldn't someone who can't find clients lower their rates accordingly? That's what I am trying to figure out.

I find it perfectly reasonable the top tier of the 2000 gladiators to ask 30$ per hour. But what about the bottom end?

[chaserbl]

Sounds to me you're looking either for boost or partner to play with you and raise your rank

[Nov17]

Sounds to me you're looking either for boost or partner to play with you and raise your rank

no.

The question and the discussion is not about me or my skills. I hate when discussions get personal like "you suck", "no you" etc. :P

It's a genuine question I had for ages, that since I had nothing better to do, thought I would ask.

[Smitten]

let me ask you another question in order to understand.

Assuming there is 2000 gladiators worldwide, do they ALL have their schedule tight, due to supply and demand, to justify those rates? Shouldn't someone who can't find clients lower their rates accordingly? That's what I am trying to figure out.

I find it perfectly reasonable the top tier of the 2000 gladiators to ask 30$ per hour. But what about the bottom end?

The bottom end are the ones scraping by to the 0.5%, and probably aren't in the best position to be coaching other people to get to Gladiator.

You can look at it another way.

I could sell a Gladiator pilot for $600 or so. $200 to me, $200 to each of my partners. It takes me less than 7 hours to get to Glad range in most situations (queue times for example), and it is much less time consuming than coaching because you've done it a thousand times, you just get in there and do it. No big deal.

Coaching you need to take it slow, answer questions, explain. It is a more time consuming and arguably more "challenging" process, as you aren't just playing, but also teaching. Most people I know who do coaching do it because they enjoy teaching people, not to make good money. That's what pilots are for.

Setting prices too low just leads to too much demand and non-serious buyers. If you're charging $30-$45 per hour, the people who are paying that much WANT to learn because they've invested so much, and in return you're more willing to teach because you feel like you aren't wasting your time.