Instanced exploration is dead? (Nope, it isn't :3)

[Ellion]

Since 7.1.5 Darkmoon "Murloc" (and all analogues) and Darkmoon Seesaw no longer works in dungeons and raids. They took our glider in 7.1, and now they took almost everything...

Update:
There are still some unfixed ways to get through walls.


Grappling Hook
Heroic Leap
Contender's Costume
P.S. Probably Infernal Strike would work too, but I'm too lazy to test it.

So, now our ultimate tools are Contender's Costumes.

[Dante]

Haven't played since WoD launch, and this makes me so sad

[advanta]

Since 7.1.5 Darkmoon "Murloc" (and all analogues) and Darkmoon Seesaw no longer works in dungeons and raids. They took our glider in 7.1, and now they took almost everything...

Never been much more than an interested amateur when it came to exploration but it seems to me like the best exploration work always came from more complex techniques.

The changes are bad news for people like me but I'd have thought the dedicated explorers would have as much opportunity as any one. Also, Dovah's recent DH video has to be one of the most impressive exploration videos I've ever seen in terms of technique.

Btw Maybe I got this wrong but it seemed like rocket boots + slowfall made a comeback and replaced a lot of the things you can do with gliders.

[jimmys96]

Demon hunters Infernal Strike and Glide are both ridiculous in terms of exploration in instances, so defenitely not dead yet. I believe vengeful retreat stacking still works too?

[Rakantor]

DHs and nitroboots + slowfall can substitute gliders...
But how to get through walls from now on? (Is it still possible with certain abilities, like heroic leap?)

[advanta]

DHs and nitroboots + slowfall can substitute gliders...
But how to get through walls from now on? (Is it still possible with certain abilities, like heroic leap?)

I don't think it has ever been possible with HL.

The fix on walking through walls was very comprehensive. They fixed shadowstep but also stuff like mind control though walls that I didn't think any one even knew about much.
The one possible weakness is verticality-rogues keep falling through the floor in their class order hall when they attack a certain dummy. However, thin floors are much harder
to find than thin door, and you have to deal with crashing when you fall through the floor.

It is still possible to attack through walls. In fact that has got much easier. Not sure if that helps exploration much.

[Dante]

When doing solo exploration walljumping etc, no tigers mean no checkpoints if you're alone.

[Ellion]

But how to get through walls from now on? (Is it still possible with certain abilities, like heroic leap?)

There are still some ways to do it.


Grappling Hook
Heroic Leap
Contender's Costume
P.S. Probably Infernal Strike would work too, but I'm too lazy to test it.

So, now our ultimate tools are Contender's Costumes.

But Seesaw is gone, and that's a bad news...

[advanta]

There are still some ways to do it.

Ah I see. He meant invisible walls.

[jimmys96]

There are still some ways to do it.


Grappling Hook
Heroic Leap
Contender's Costume
P.S. Probably Infernal Strike would work too, but I'm too lazy to test it.

So, now our ultimate tools are Contender's Costumes.

But Seesaw is gone, and that's a bad news...

Infernal strike is a lot more powerful than most people give it credit for ^^ with a demon hunter if you double jump and glide, infernal strike can be used to jump through walls you wouldn't otherwise be able to

[Hazzbazzy]

Since 7.1.5 Darkmoon "Murloc" (and all analogues) and Darkmoon Seesaw no longer works in dungeons and raids. They took our glider in 7.1, and now they took almost everything...

Update:
There are still some unfixed ways to get through walls.


Grappling Hook
Heroic Leap
Contender's Costume
P.S. Probably Infernal Strike would work too, but I'm too lazy to test it.

So, now our ultimate tools are Contender's Costumes.

Now I have to update the exploration handbook (Y)

[Jacul]

...Dovah's recent DH video has to be one of the most impressive exploration videos I've ever seen in terms of technique.

Ever? You should try it. I did the deadmines wallclimb after reading your comment. It only took me about 10 minutes, and while I'm not new to this, I suck. Compared to the old days, DH wallclimbing is just... babytown frolics. In the BC-Wrath era I spent hours on this climb!

...rocket boots + slowfall made a comeback and replaced a lot of the things you can do with gliders.

Sort of. There's a lockout period after the boost wears off which inhibits every kind of normal slowfall I've tried so far. You end up losing quite a bit of height first. Maybe I'm just doing it wrong? Nitro boosts only require you to wait till their buff wears off, but they're not as fast. The freeze macro + Vengeful Retreat still works to cover long distances, but... ugh. That requires a LOT of patience. On the plus side, this also allows you to climb vertically if you have good timing, albeit very slowly. Seriously, watch netflix on the side or something if you decide to go that route.

There is a SUPERIOR alternative to Goblin Gliders though, assuming you're a demon hunter.

If you:

1. Fel Rush
2. Glide

You end up going the normal 179% Glide speed.

BUT, if you:

1. Glide
2. Fel Rush
3. Glide

It adds all but 4% of your bonus movement speed to your gliding speed! Any time you Fel Rush after gliding, while still airborne, the game will recalculate your movement speed and next gliding speed for whatever your bonus movement speed is at that time. This allows you to gain additional gliding speed through temporary buffs, even if you're already falling when you activate them. Using rocket boots, my DH glides at 480%!!!

For anyone who can't exceed 71% bonus movement speed, there is yet another option:

1. Glide
2. Vengeful Retreat
3. Glide

This will set your gliding speed to exactly 250%. Not quite the 357% of Goblin Gliders, but better than the DH Glide alone.