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    newsneez's Avatar Banned
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    So, you're saying that vengeance is capped at your HP?

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    Originally Posted by newsneez View Post
    So, you're saying that vengeance is capped at your HP?
    Yes. Can't reach more than 104k AP. So invincible with crappy dps :/

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    Originally Posted by myriauk View Post
    Not sure if fixed on the EU realms but managed this morning to still kill OS3D 25 and Onyxia 25 (mount! ) just going to ICC Hc now
    It works in a limited capacity, in the sense that vengeance will never go higher than your max HP. You'd be able to get approx 100k extra AP (140k in ICC with buff), which would be enough for Ony. Lich King Heroic 10, maybe. 25, forget about it if you don't know the fight mechanics and if you can't get vengeance high consistently.
    I /point /laugh at those who /point /laugh at others!
    And if you cannot laugh at yourself, I'll be more than happy to do it in your stead.

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    would love for this thread to continue, downed marrowgar easy but stuck on deathwhisper because of Curse of Tempor, ideas?

    edit: Did KT, and never got the vengeance bug until his adds came at 50%.. do I just have terrible timing or am I missing something?
    Last edited by Dispoze; 01-28-2013 at 12:59 AM.

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    Originally Posted by Dispoze View Post
    would love for this thread to continue, downed marrowgar easy but stuck on deathwhisper because of Curse of Tempor, ideas?

    edit: Did KT, and never got the vengeance bug until his adds came at 50%.. do I just have terrible timing or am I missing something?
    Marrowgar 25HC? 25 Normal and 10 HC is easy as hell, even after the nerf.

    And yes, you probably have a terrible timing
    But KT is a crappy boss because of his frostbolts. He only melee hits you 1-2 times after interrupting a frostbolt so it's hard to get a procc without practice.

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    Originally Posted by fintroll20 View Post
    Marrowgar 25HC? 25 Normal and 10 HC is easy as hell, even after the nerf.

    And yes, you probably have a terrible timing
    But KT is a crappy boss because of his frostbolts. He only melee hits you 1-2 times after interrupting a frostbolt so it's hard to get a procc without practice.
    marrowgar10 normal hahaha, first boss I tried so wanted to start easy. Stuck on reg deathwhisper though, don't really get it. (Raided it every week during wotlk though so I know the mechanics)

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    Originally Posted by Dispoze View Post
    marrowgar10 normal hahaha, first boss I tried so wanted to start easy. Stuck on reg deathwhisper though, don't really get it. (Raided it every week during wotlk though so I know the mechanics)
    As you mentioned before, Deathwhisper is a shitty boss after the nerf because you can't nuke the adds before they curse you. Just pick out the caster and kill them and don't cast Holy Word while you are cursed. Should work after some tries. Just keep on trying
    Last edited by fintroll20; 01-28-2013 at 10:33 AM.

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    Originally Posted by fintroll20 View Post
    As you mentioned before, Deathwhisper is a shitty boss after the nerf because you can't nuke the adds before they curse you. Just pick out the caster and kill them and don't cast Holy Word while you are cursed. Should work after some tries. Just keep on trying
    I believe I'm having so much trouble with this because I don't (even after reading every post in this thread) fully understand the glitch. Its weird, I went to OS10, and killed two Onyx Sanctum Guardians (the big guys) without ever getting vengeance over 5k. Soon as I pull a group of 4 or 5 though, I'm able to get it up high enough to down them in a few seconds. My timing couldn't be so terrible that I never get the bug after 100+ swings on me. Would like to ask some questions.

    Does getting high vengeance have anything to do with mastery?
    I have 64.46% mastery unbuffed, 71.33% with food and elixer, how does this help me?
    How does Windsong and Trinket proc help me?

    Thanks!

    Been playing this game since vanilla and I feel like a scrub when asking these questions.

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    Any theory posts on this?

    Earlier posts in this thread seem to suggest that there is an exploitable mastery bug at +69%. I'm fairly certain some classes can hit this number at 90, yet the focus on this thread seems to be 80 and paladins.
    I'm thinking about trying to get my mage to 69%+ but it is going to be hard work. I don't fully understand the mechanics but it seems I could exploit very high burst damage beyond that level-is this correct?

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    Does getting high vengeance have anything to do with mastery?
    I have 64.46% mastery unbuffed, 71.33% with food and elixer, how does this help me?
    How does Windsong and Trinket proc help me?

    Thanks!

    Been playing this game since vanilla and I feel like a scrub when asking these questions.
    The vengeance spikes happen when you have 100% DMG absorb, which means 69% mastery for a pally. 69% mastery means 100% dmg absorb with SotR. You have to use SotR in the exact same moment as a melee swing hits you. Try a swing-timer addon like BossSwingTimer. When your timing is right, your vengeance spikes to it's maximum value which is your max HP since the nerf.
    This needs some practice, but it isn't that hard.

    Mastery procs of trinkets and windsong don't help you to get the spikes but they keep your overall block chance higher. 90% i think with both procs, which means faster vengeance stacking without using the bug.
    Earlier posts in this thread seem to suggest that there is an exploitable mastery bug at +69%. I'm fairly certain some classes can hit this number at 90, yet the focus on this thread seems to be 80 and paladins.
    I'm thinking about trying to get my mage to 69%+ but it is going to be hard work. I don't fully understand the mechanics but it seems I could exploit very high burst damage beyond that level-is this correct?
    You don't need 69% as a mage to do ridiculous dmg, you need all your stats maxed.
    There is a russian guy on Youtube which does solo stuff with his mage: Тирибарраж
    Fullbuffed with racials, procs, trinkets and pots he has around 200% haste, 100% mastery and 100% crit. He stacks pyroblasts on the boss and hits combustion which will tick for >2million. This is how you solo encounters with mages.

    I hope i answered all questions so far, for more information just keep the thread alive.
    And excuse my english, it's not my first language^^

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    Originally Posted by advanta View Post
    Earlier posts in this thread seem to suggest that there is an exploitable mastery bug at +69%. I'm fairly certain some classes can hit this number at 90, yet the focus on this thread seems to be 80 and paladins.
    I'm thinking about trying to get my mage to 69%+ but it is going to be hard work. I don't fully understand the mechanics but it seems I could exploit very high burst damage beyond that level-is this correct?
    it was a buge with vengence.....mages if in full heroic gear and mage armor last i looked logoz was at 52% unbuffed mastery mage mastery isnt the same as paladin mastery 69% on a paladin is 69% reduced physical damage after a sheild of the rightous+the base 30% reduction the have makeing it 99% reduced vengence stacked so high sacred sheild absorbed all other incomeing damage so they were unkillable 69% mastery is prolly unobtainable at max lvl for any pally even in top end T16 heroic gear

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    [QUOTE=Obbeh;2657329] mage mastery isnt the same as paladin mastery [QUOTE]

    Thanks, yeah reading earlier in the thread I got the impression that everything went mad when you hit 69%, which you've clarified.

    Thanks for the link to the Russian guy fintroll, that's really interesting.

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