3.0.8 Addresses , Few useful things :)

[arigity]

Convenient? Try 'incorrect'.

Here you are:
http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-memory-editing/205389-3-0-8-addresses-few-useful-things-2.html#post1347064

Also, the parts I ignored were ignored because they were irrelevant. eg. Pedantic grammatical complaints, silly issues such as 'time travel [monitoring] in warden', incorrect usage of memes (the latin you used was irrelevant, the latin I used is commonplace when demonstrating a point, so no I don't see what you did there, I used a relevant phrase that is in commonplace use, you on the other hand dug up something from an irrelevant piece of literature. i assume you thought you were funny but infact you just looked stupid)

f-f-f-ffaaiiillllllll on so many levels.

i do not see an grammatical complaints, pulling more things out your ass again? that must hurt.

the latin i used was totally relevant "By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe" because it totally ruins the fun if i simply tell you why i did it, kindly take a second out of your busy schedule of looking retarded to put 2 and 2 together.

also i wasn't aware there was even a latin meme, perhaps you should spend less time on 4-chan and more time with your debate club and you might learn why you fail here.

1. I never asked you to post such a list, I asked for a handful at most, one or two at the least.

still goin on about that huh? and you say i can't read psh.

2. I never said you were an expert, but SOME knowledge would probably be helpful given you're arguing against someone who DOES have that knowledge.

you don't need to know why something works to know that it does. my point is that while you may think you have more knowledge then me on this subject, my arguments have a greater basis in fact then yours.

3. I never said that hashing memory reigions and stack traces are the ONLY decent ways to implement AC detection, I said they would be the easiest ways for them to generically catch cheaters.

no but it was implied by your statement that nearly every other method is would be "too invasive"

demonstrated by the fact you couldn't name a single method on top of what I already provided to detect cheaters generically, yet I'm somehow stupid (implied from the runescape comment)

at least your smart enough to notice eh?

even though I never qualified them as the be-all and end-all, but rather as "primary ways I see them adding better generic (generic being the key) cheat detection".

that, would be an unreasonable argument.

It seems your only real argument there was that I "missed my **********" and "play runescape". Both of which are incorrect.

delusional definition | Dictionary.com
obviously you missed something.

I do not take **********, and I do not play runescape. Kinda pathetic to see you grasping at irrelevant (and incorrect) stereotypes due to the fact you've run out of actual points or counter-points.

runescapes a fun game and lots of people take medicine. it's ok i will not treat you differently for either.

* Elaborate on "if you were that were about warden you really ought not to be in the memory editing section". I pointed out that there is more to 'memory editing' than read-only memory (which is what you complained about), then you turned around and said you already knew that. Well if thats the case, what was your complaint? Why should I not be here?

Oh? Could you please direct me to the posts where you:
a) Outline the other ways you'd detect cheaters generically (oh wait you admitted you can't)

not related.

b) Explain why I should get out of the memory editing section just because I pointed out that if warden is a concern you probably shouldn't be modifying read-only memory (oh wait, thats right, its because theres a "retardedly large" amount of ways they could add new anti-cheat to detect you, but as stated in 'a', you can't name any)

because your concerns are unfounded, have no logical point other then to stir up trouble, and rather useless.

c) Outline why avoiding the two main anti-cheat methods they could implement (and the only ones you know of or could thinkg of) doesn't consitute common sense yet sinking your head in the sand till after the fact does (oh wait thats right, because apparently "wardens not gonna update for 5 seconds just when you decide to modify something then ban you and revert back so you'll never know when it will happen.", see below for why that makes no sense)

because its not implemented. not sinking your head in the sand but rather looking before you cross the road.

d) Explain how you would account for the warden updates so you don't just get ****ed and have to deal with it after the fact (oh wait thats impossible)

see: looking before you cross the road.

The choice is not between two methods of before-the-fact protection. Rather, I'm advocating the use of a condom where its appropriate, and abstinence where it might be too dangerous even for a condom to be safe. The choice is more along the lines of a choice between protection + common sense and just going in without any protection or forethought at all.

thats what the condom was for, how did you not get that metaphor?

Just because something isn't 100% safe doesn't mean you can't make it safer. Heck, lets use your original analogy. I assmue you were advocating the condom? Great choice! Is it 100% safe? No! I never stated there was a 100% safe method to protect yourself, but just because you can't guarantee safety doesn't mean there isn't anything you can do to improve your odds.

my view: your gettin it on with sally, you know she doesn't have HIV but you still wear a condom based on the fact she's tramp.

your view: sally's a tramp but she's clean. lets not have sex condom or no condom cuz she might get HIV later.

p.s. (i really like the direction this is headed)

Furthermore, its not some arbitrary decision that you don't have any grounds to base a conclusion off. Blizzard have recently been tightening their anti-cheat code and adding new detection for things. Granted, you may not be privy to some of the details, but rest assured Blizzard is getting sneakier and better at detecting cheaters.

no, i don't have kynox to tell me all about the wardenz.

Take the previous ISXWoW banwave for example, that happened because an encrypted code stub was placed in WoW that would be decrypted at runtime using a key sent from the server whenever the user performed a certain interface action or a certain packet was sent from the client (I forget the trigger). The key and the rest of the payload was tagged onto the that already existing packet (so it didn't trip any checks for new opcodes added which is common practice among the emulation community). The code stub was decrypted and executed, and the client would send back whether ISXWoW was detected (it was detected via a code hook on the function that checks the pointer boundaries for callback functions).

the fiends! why couldn't they just choose the generic approach and simply hash the entire section.

Given that Warden is being improved (other improvements have been made over time) I fail to see how its "paranoid" to expect more improvements to be in the works. Heck, even serverside improvements are being tested as was evident on the PTRs with the speedhack checks, jump height checks, fall height checks, etc.

yes, warden improvements. totally new.

The suspicions are based on the fact that checking the two things I outlined would be a great way to detect cheaters and Warden/Blizzard has/have been getting more aggressive as of late. Hardly baseless.

its based upon the fact that blizzard could add new AC detection, as you have noted so kindly above that they do this frequently this is not something new and as such has no basis in fact as to whether or not they will add this particular type of detection.

Also, what are you so against? Avoiding stack traces isn't going to stop you from doing anything you couldn't already, it will just make you safer. Yes avoiding read-only memory mods has downfalls, but they're only huge if you're writing hacks, if you're writing a bot you CAN implement an ISXWoW equivalent (and better) with zero code hooks.

i am neither against stack traces region hashing or any other form of cheat detection. i agree that it would be a welcome change to see them implement a larger number of detection methods. and also that added protection is not neccesarily a bad thing. what i AM against is avoiding something simply because of a possibility, you should always use what you have to the fullest while you still have it.

I never said it would revert back... I don't know whether you don't know how to read or just like to make crap up but I suggest you follow closely.

my point is that if blizzard updated warden so that they scanned the entire section you WOULD notice, its unlikely to be a hit and run style thing (which would be considerably more annoying then an active thing) and would most easily be seen when waves of people started whining about their bans.

Steps:
1. User logs on with a currently undetected hack, implemented by avoiding static scan locations.
2. User plays for an irrelevant amount of time.
3. During this playtime a warden update is pushed and the user is one of the computers who recieves a variant of the new strain.
4. Within minutes the user will most likely be detected as a cheater and get banned.

5. 30 seconds later on mmowned Q_Q

you would need to be very unlucky for that to happen and it could happen for any number of hacks, such as monitoring for a dll you inject or some other form of "pwn"

Good for you. But given you're still grappling with the basics, is it really a good idea to get into an argument on one of the much more advanced topics? My guess would be no given you would probably look like a huge idiot. (You have amply demonstrated the accuracty hypothesis)

i've got nothing better to do right now and i'm annoyed with some lolhaX so i figured i'd bug you guys.

Your claims about knowing about reversing is implied by the fact you're arguing with me about a topic specifically related to reversing. No intelligent person would enter into an argument if they didn't have knowledge of the subject matter. Then again, given your knowledge of the subject matter seems to be minimal at best I'm doubting your intelligence more and more.

you can imply that but i never claimed it. because during the course of this conversation and through various threads on this board it must be impossible for anyone to gain any form of information on the subject matter.

Also, I'm not pulling stuff from my 'ass'. How about you recap your posts where you throw unfounded (oh hey! the word 'baseless' comes to mind!) insults which are neither correct nor relevant.

hrmm, they were founded. you founded them.
recap: things that have no base are considered to be baseless

No reasonable basis? How about rather than just asserting things like you have been doing, you back them up like I've been doing. I've provided examples of things that have actually happened, examples of actual methods employed by most advanced anti-cheat software, information on the workings of warden and parts of its history, etc. You on the other hand feel its adequate to just assert that something is right/wrong without actually providing any evidence or debunking any of the alledged innacuracies.

my point is far easier to prove ^_^

step 1. login
step 2. pick a spot in wows text section
step 3. alter it.
step 4. check if banned
step 5. ???

please post results.

How about you put out or get out.

are you coming on to me? i'm flattered.

Put out some actual information rather than just employing sarcasm, metaphor, or other literary techniques to mask your lack of actual logic and arguments.

see: above.

[DrakeFish]

wow arigity lol so much replies in 1 post :P

[DrakeFish]

Since I don't know how to do it, could any one tell me if Fall Speed = 0x100BD40
is watched? cus I'm using it and don't know if its actualy banning me or if its another address doing it

[jbrauman]

This thread has been overtaken by flames =[

[arigity]

This thread has been overtaken by flames =[

makes things interesting

drake, see http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-me...3727-psst.html

[DrakeFish]

makes things interesting

drake, see http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-me...3727-psst.html

damn..
but else you know if water walk is watched?

[Cypher]

Oh damn, when Cypher gets into an argument, he doesn't do a half-assed job




One question I had about detecting Warden updates before you can be banned (seeing as this thread is already massively derailed) is Glider's tripwire. If I'm not mistaken (which I may well be) this scans for updates in Warden, so in the above scenario, the user would be logged off before a ban can occur.

Couldn't this or something similar be used to provide failsafe anti-warden protection?

*erects anti-flame shield*

No need for the flame shield. You asked a reasonable question in a polite manner. The only reason I publicly humiliated arigity was because he was being rude (and is frankly quite an idiot). But enough of that, it seems he's not interested in having an actual discussion but would rather act like a child.

(Besides, mages can spellsteal flame shields :P)

As far as I know Tripwire doesn't actually scan Warden itself for new functionality, rather it uses module hashing and some hereustics to try and determine if a new strain has been released into the wild.

As I said, I'm not 100% sure on that but I'm pretty sure WardenNet worked along lines simliar to that and Tripwire is implemented in a similar way to WardenNet.

You're better off asking Merc/Hamut or Lax how their respective systems are implemented. Rest assured though, nothing is bulletproof (as seen by the infrequent but never ending banwaves).

EDIT: Christ the latest Chrome dev build is unstable. Tabs are going haywire and the spellchecker seems to have shat itself. Time to fire up a debugger I think.

[arigity]

No need for the flame shield. You asked a reasonable question in a polite manner. The only reason I publicly humiliated arigity was because he was being rude (and is frankly quite an idiot). But enough of that, it seems he's not interested in having an actual discussion but would rather act like a child.

but i was enjoying laughing at your fail

[Xarg0]

@arigity
sorry, but actually you're the one who failed.
You completly missed the point of cyphers posts and the more you ran into argueing the less arguments you had to proof you were right.
Actually you're behaving kinda trollish right now, maybe it's about time to stop?

[arigity]

@arigity
sorry, but actually you're the one who failed.
You completly missed the point of cyphers posts and the more you ran into argueing the less arguments you had to proof you were right.
Actually you're behaving kinda trollish right now, maybe it's about time to stop?

glad someone noticed, i was beginning to think i wasn't trying hard enough.

besides that, cypher had no point. you are about as likely to get hit by a truck as you are likely to be both online (unless he spends all his free time there?) and hacking when (and if) blizzard decides to have warden scan the entire section. protection is fine but not to the point of retardation.

[Xarg0]

glad someone noticed, i was beginning to think i wasn't trying hard enough.

besides that, cypher had no point. you are about as likely to get hit by a truck as you are likely to be both online (unless he spends all his free time there?) and hacking when (and if) blizzard decides to have warden scan the entire section. protection is fine but not to the point of retardation.

This is the evidence
You are a troll

[arigity]

does it normally take you this long to realize obvious things or do you simply enjoy looking retarded?

[GordonGekko]

Just a quick question. Does anybody have the memory locations for health and mana? For the own character and even for paryt members?

Thx in advance
G

[Robske]

Just a quick question. Does anybody have the memory locations for health and mana? For the own character and even for paryt members?

Thx in advance
G

yes, yes and yes.

[SKU]

yes, yes and yes.

Sticky: http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-me...formation.html (Credits to Cypher)

[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_HEALTH = 0x17
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER1 = 0x18
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER2 = 0x19
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER3 = 0x1A
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER4 = 0x1B
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER5 = 0x1C
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER6 = 0x1D
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_POWER7 = 0x1E
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXHEALTH = 0x1F
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER1 = 0x20
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER2 = 0x21
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER3 = 0x22
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER4 = 0x23
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER5 = 0x24
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER6 = 0x25
[07:14:50]: UNIT_FIELD_MAXPOWER7 = 0x26

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-me...scriptors.html

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-me...-0-8-kids.html

All the things you need to get your aswell as everyone's mana/hp close to your character.