[DEV] Cyklone - New Memory Editor ~ Undetectable ~

[tharo]

Hmm hmm hmmm ... Do you know any link with injection spec. infomations that handles where the loaded dll's get stored inside of a running proc ?
Just made me a bit currious.

[Sychotix]

Furthermore, your correction was grammatical at best, c'mon, you can do better than that.

yeah, but u don't make many mistakes, or I don't know enough to correct them lol.

Anyways, wouldnt having warden hash all loaded dll's (outside of its process) be considered illegal? What if i had virtualgirl.dll loaded and I did not want anyone to know that? /sue

There are many things that blizzard could do to prevent 3rd party programs, but they seem to tend to simply detecting and suing the most popular 3rd party programs (as seen in the Glider case(s))

But hey, maybe Blizzard could get away with behaving like a Rootkit. GameGuard basically does it already >_<

[argh44z]

Anyways, wouldnt having warden hash all loaded dll's (outside of its process) be considered illegal? What if i had virtualgirl.dll loaded and I did not want anyone to know that? /sue

Probably not, at least in the US. I think Lax said it best here: On Warden: A storm is brewing

I do not believe that Blizzard would ever intentionally break privacy laws (or any laws for that matter), at least in any manner that can be traced. However, as we all realize, there are gray areas, which Blizzard is no stranger to (I would consider Warden itself to be in that gray area, which does not seem to be illegal, but that many people would feel is a violation of their rights, and could potentially be deemed illegal in the future), and I do believe that Blizzard would enter those areas until legally bound to leave them (i.e. when the area is no longer gray, and consequences would follow).

[Cypher]

yeah, but u don't make many mistakes, or I don't know enough to correct them lol.

Anyways, wouldnt having warden hash all loaded dll's (outside of its process) be considered illegal? What if i had virtualgirl.dll loaded and I did not want anyone to know that? /sue

There are many things that blizzard could do to prevent 3rd party programs, but they seem to tend to simply detecting and suing the most popular 3rd party programs (as seen in the Glider case(s))

But hey, maybe Blizzard could get away with behaving like a Rootkit. GameGuard basically does it already >_<

Illegal? No.

Also, blizzard doesn't know or care about the names of things, it uses hashes. Strings are NEVER sent back to the sever, only hashes, so your privacy is protected.

EDIT: Also, you really think Blizzard are gonna take a legal thread from some random user seriously? Lol, no way.

[Functions]

Your charging people to access there memory Damn I think Im going to do something like this and compete against you haha

[Cypher]

Your charging people to access there memory Damn I think Im going to do something like this and compete against you haha

For the love of everything that is good in this world..... STOP ****ING POSTING YOU MORON.

[apollo0510]

Hmm hmm hmmm ... Do you know any link with injection spec. infomations that handles where the loaded dll's get stored inside of a running proc ?
Just made me a bit currious.

Hi !

You should not make any assumptions about the adresses of loaded DLL's data and code segments. The point is : You don't need those addresses, because you are no more "out of process" when you invade WoW like that. Your programm is running inside the WoW main programm and becomes an integral part (and every mistake you make, makes WoW crash ^^).

Technically, you must look for any DLL that is loaded by WoW that has a known interface. Then you are creating a fake DLL that has the same interface and redirects every call to the real DLL.

This technique is used also by "legal" programs like fraps (to create screenshot movies). Therefore Warden will not automatically assume you are cheating, if the DLL is not the original or expected one. Just compile your own and use it only for yourself - and Blizzard will never been able to put yours on a blacklist.

Greetings

Apollo

[Cypher]

Actually I think he was referring to the original post, where there was a reference to the fact you would make a large amount of money by joining the project, the implication was that this program would be sold. That would explain the login screen, not for wow details, but for auth information for running the program.

Therefore, Functions post was in fact correct, despite it's horrific grammar, he is charging people to access their own memory.

This seriously made me facepalm irl.

The fact you think its even possible to "[charge someone] to access their own memory" shows just how stupid you are.

[greebling]

If you are still looking for someone with VB skills i might be able to help. Me and my friends build websites in VB for people so I could probably help in some way.

[Cypher]

I still think you are misunderstanding...

Read the following statements carefully:

1. He is making a program. This program will cost money to use. (You need to purchase it, he will give you auth details which the program will require to run.)
2. This program allows you to 'access' your memory.
3. He is therefore 'charging people to access their own memory'

Eg. Someone writes a program that allows you to check files on your harddrive, then charges for that program. In a sense he is 'charging people to access their own harddrive/files'



I hope that clarifies my previous post.

No, it simply clarifies you are in fact a moron.

Read the following carefully:
1. All of your posts in this section are either pointless or retarded. Go away.
2. Your computer has unrestricted access to its memory at all times, ergo so do you. The tool is designed to make reading/writing memory in arbitrary processes, at arbitrary locations using arbitrary data-types easier, this is not a standard feature of the operating system unless you count access to the APIs that are made available to facilitate this. You are NOT being charged to 'access your memory', you are being charged for the convenience of not having to write your own software to perform the listed tasks, along with it (supposedly) being 'stealthy'. This is a piece of software that took time to write, you are being billed because time is a valuable asset, if you feel the tool justifies the price then great, if not thats great too, but it doesn't change the fact noone is forcing you to buy it, nor are they holding your memory hostage, the tool is exactly that, a TOOL, designed to make a task easier.
3. I will reiterate my reply to your other post. I don't know who you are or where you came from, but your presence is both pointless and annoying, unless you have something of value to contribute i request you kindly get the **** out.

PS. By your logic I could say "rofl microsoft are charging me to access my hardware". See how stupid that is?
PSS. Inb4 reduction ad absurdum