[Request] Subtlety Rogue PVE

[vitalic]

What is wrong with the Subtlety profile posted by starl1te?

[Neyia]

What is wrong with the Subtlety profile posted by starl1te?

The profile try to cast Backstab when you aren't behind the target, it should cast Hemorrhage in this circumstance

[vitalic]

The profile try to cast Backstab when you aren't behind the target, it should cast Hemorrhage in this circumstance

That is easy to fix, just need to add a Hemorrhage ability with a PQR_UnitFacing("target", "player") check.

[Neyia]

That is easy to fix, just need to add a Hemorrhage ability with a PQR_UnitFacing("target", "player") check.

it was already included in the profile, but it doesn't work

Backstab

-- Backstab if behind Target
if not PQR_UnitFacing("target", "player") and not IsStealthed() then
	if not ( UnitBuffID("player", 51713) or UnitBuffID("player", 1856) ) then
		CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(53), "target")
	end
end

Hemorraghe Front

-- Hemorrhage if in front of Target
if PQR_UnitFacing("target", "player") and not IsStealthed() then
	CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(16511), "target")
end

Hemorraghe (Debuff ?)

if not IsStealthed() then
	-- Check if Hemorrhage is on target
	if not UnitDebuffID("target", 89775, "player") then
		CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(16511), "target")
	-- If Hemorrhage exists on target then refresh
	elseif UnitDebuffID("target", 89775, "player") then
		if select(7, UnitDebuffID("target", 89775, "player")) - GetTime() < 5 then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(16511), "target")
		end
	end
elseif UnitBuffID("player", 51713) then
	if UnitDebuffID("target", 89775, "player") then
		if select(7, UnitDebuffID("target", 89775, "player")) - GetTime() < 5 then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(16511), "target")
		end
	end
end

The profile cast Hemorrhage for the debuff, and after he spam cast Backstab but it can not because the mob is in front of us (Tanking in a quest for an example) suddenly, he continues to spam Backstab without wanting to cast Hemorrhage

[fddbzz]

EDIT:
I updated the Sub rotation to use Garrote, those interested re-download
Blinded.rar

did you update to the newest profile? it works fine for me. the code seems to be different then the code from yours.
hemo

if not UnitBuffID( "player", 115191 ) and not UnitBuffID( "player", 31665 ) and not UnitBuffID( "player", 51713 ) then

	if  GetComboPoints( "player", "target" ) < 5  then
	
		if UnitDebuffID( "target", 89775 ) == nil then
		
			CastSpellByName( GetSpellInfo(16511), nil )	
			return true
			
		end
	end
	
	if ( PQR_UnitFacing("target", "player") or PQR_NotBehindTarget() ) and ( GetComboPoints( "player", "target" ) < 5) then

		
			CastSpellByName( GetSpellInfo(16511), nil )	
			return true

	
	elseif not PQR_UnitFacing( "target", "player" ) and ( GetComboPoints( "player", "target" ) == 4 and UnitPower( "player" ) > 79 ) then
		
			CastSpellByName( GetSpellInfo(16511), nil )	
			return true
		
	end
	
end

Backstab

if not UnitBuffID( "player", 1784 ) and not UnitBuffID( "player", 11327 ) and not UnitBuffID( "player", 51713 ) then

	if GetComboPoints( "player", "target" ) < 5  then

		if UnitPower( "player" ) > 35 then
		
			return true
			
		end
		
	end
	
end

Dryaan <Apex> clean ToT 25HM (13/13) with Subtlety too, and on the Stream this is a really challenge.
But, I dont understand your FEAR to create a Subtlety profile.
Those who have trouble with Sub remain in assassination and those who like the challenge they go Sub.
The Rogue PVE:
- Combat is broken, and honestly it's not so bad, this specialization is just trolol.
- Assassination is overused and boring.
- Subtlety have same (or better) DPS than Assasination, but nobody wants to try it wet.
It might be time to not be a sheep, and this apart from other rogues, no ?

yes dryaan used sub, he just tried it, and obviously the result were so bad if you ever look at his parses and charts, and he even stated that sub is no where near assassination spec for now.
subtlety have not come close on dps than Assassination.

[Neyia]

Thank you I will try this now

Dryaan has still claim to have had enough DPS, 450k burst and 250/280k constant : is not horrible numbers

Edit:

It's good for this profile, thanks !

[starl1te]

whatever profile he's having issues with, it's not the one I uploaded. the code is different and always was.

I'll try one more time with Neyia, since he seems to mean well despite the weirdness. maybe it's a language issue.

Neyia: JUST DOWNLOAD THE (FREAKING) PROFILE FROM HERE - http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/worl...ml#post2766143,

(FREAKING) SELECT "SUBTLETY", TURN IT ON, TURN ON AUTO-CDs IF YOU WANT, GO INTO RAID, AND POINT IT AT BOSS. THAT'S IT. It works perfectly fine. I CANNOT understand how you are managing to find all these problems, and why you keep asking for some special "sub profile" when one already exists, for pve and pvp both.

Every boss I raided as sub in ToT, I have a top 5 parse on WoL, most top 3, and a couple #1 parses. with this profile, and 530 gear, and a 25man raid doing normal modes with HM Jinrokh. you can too.

enjoy.

[Neyia]

I look for a long time while the profile was under my nose and I saw her, I thought she tested but I can extract the bad rar, so I was playing with "Nerder RoguePack"

Sorry, I'm a ball.

Edit: The profile works very fine ! Thank you very much

[Neyia]

u sure is sub spec?
Envy from EU@Kazzak?
they got 3 rogues, they are all raiding with Assassination spec.
Byo
Acidgurl
Dryaan
here's evny's guild log.. : World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis
I really don't see any of their rogues raid with sub in their logs at all. and sorry 250k/300k is all in assassin spec.
Am i looking at the right envy guild?

edit: I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the right Envy guild, they are the only Envy that down 13/13H ToT. Still don't see any sub rogue.

Stream - 13/13 ToT 25 - <Envy> - Forums - World of Warcraft

French Board sorry, because Dryaan is french.

He clean 13/13HM with Sub Spec the Sunday 05/22/13 , he Stream this, but no WoL

[fddbzz]

Stream - 13/13 ToT 25 - <Envy> - Forums - World of Warcraft

French Board sorry, because Dryaan is french.

He clean 13/13HM with Sub Spec the Sunday 05/22/13 , he Stream this, but no WoL

ya i watched it, he said he liked his WoL. because is Rank1 all the time, but he don't like how he was at the bottom of the chart in his raid.(he usually top 5 in with his raid team) I can do way more dps with assassination spec, why would i want to go sub, and I really dont want those low dps to slow down my raid team progression either.
sub spec for fun, yes, i like it and i use it in T14 raid not progression raid on H ToT.

[Neyia]

The impact in HM is clearly larger than normal so it is true that everyone prefers to play Assassination is a safety issue, at least we know that the DPS will be high.

As I'm still normal (I quit WoW for a month, change ISP ..) Can I afford to spend Subtlety, especially with my stuff the difference is almost invisible, because i haven't enough of mastery for Assassination (62% unbuff) with reforge hit 7.5 > exp 7.5 > mastery ..