[PQR] Kuukuu's Brewmaster Profile Feedback and Suggestions

[chumii]

Hey,
I am using your Brewmaster Profile all the way and never had any problems in MoP so far. ( Big Thanks for that )
Yesterday, we finally managed to get Lei Shen down and then went straight to Ra-Den where I encountered my first issues. For me, it didn't keep up Shuffle 100%, so sometimes I got one shotted by Ra-Den due to that little downtime of Shuffle. Not a big problem in other fights, thats why i never really thought about it, but maybe you could have a look at that while you are updating for 5.4? I tried to adjust some numbers in your Blackout-Kick Code, but it didnt really helped out. Had to switch to Ruubims profile just for that fight

[kuukuu]

Hey,
I am using your Brewmaster Profile all the way and never had any problems in MoP so far. ( Big Thanks for that )
Yesterday, we finally managed to get Lei Shen down and then went straight to Ra-Den where I encountered my first issues. For me, it didn't keep up Shuffle 100%, so sometimes I got one shotted by Ra-Den due to that little downtime of Shuffle. Not a big problem in other fights, thats why i never really thought about it, but maybe you could have a look at that while you are updating for 5.4? I tried to adjust some numbers in your Blackout-Kick Code, but it didnt really helped out. Had to switch to Ruubims profile just for that fight

The profile prioritizes Shuffle uptime so I have no idea why it wouldn't be up if you're attacking the boss constantly. Definitely need more info regarding it.

5.0 Released:
PQI enabled version 0.5 Released:

Brewmaster:

- Rushing Jade Wind updated to new 5.4 format

Windwalker:

- Rushing Jade Wind updated to new 5.4 format
- TeB usage changed to treat RoR as a normal trinket now that our mastery was changed and snap shotting is no longer useful

General:

- Removal of old ability code that is no longer used

[chumii]

First, thanks for the update! I love playing in EU so i have everything ready after launch

The profile prioritizes Shuffle uptime so I have no idea why it wouldn't be up if you're attacking the boss constantly. Definitely need more info regarding it.

Well, I dont know what info I could give you. I was solo tanking him of course, and sometimes my shuffle falls off. Even if it falls off for just 0.5 - 1 seconds, sometimes raden made his special attack (dunno the name right now) and one shots me in this second.
I dont know if there is any boss in SoO where this little off-time could be a huge problem as it is at raden, just thought I would tell you when you are going over your profile anyways

[TehVoyager]

Thanks kuu!

[Krodran]

Gonna test it soon™, thanks bro.

[Krodran]

First, thanks for the update! I love playing in EU so i have everything ready after launch



Well, I dont know what info I could give you. I was solo tanking him of course, and sometimes my shuffle falls off. Even if it falls off for just 0.5 - 1 seconds, sometimes raden made his special attack (dunno the name right now) and one shots me in this second.
I dont know if there is any boss in SoO where this little off-time could be a huge problem as it is at raden, just thought I would tell you when you are going over your profile anyways

What trinkets you were using?

[kuukuu]

First, thanks for the update! I love playing in EU so i have everything ready after launch



Well, I dont know what info I could give you. I was solo tanking him of course, and sometimes my shuffle falls off. Even if it falls off for just 0.5 - 1 seconds, sometimes raden made his special attack (dunno the name right now) and one shots me in this second.
I dont know if there is any boss in SoO where this little off-time could be a huge problem as it is at raden, just thought I would tell you when you are going over your profile anyways

The only thing I could think would be to set the check on Shuffle remaining to be longer... Might make that a variable in the PQI version so people can choose instead of hard coding it. Would be easy enough to do.

[Enuma]

Testing your 5.0 Windwalker profile and having issues with Thunder Focus Tea usage on my WW monk. Apparently my monk builds it up to 20 stacks and it never uses them. I dont have ToT trinkets, instead i have Shado Pan assault one, and one from MSV heroic.

Im pretty much sure that, as for WW you will need to change some more things in profile, but this was something that i noticed "off the bat." Our stat priority has been changes, as rotation priority, from what i manage to read from Salty's post and his heavy SimCing.

You might find this helpful:
Bottled Fury: A Windwalker PvE Guide [5.4]

[xNotta]

There's a few changes that I always make when you release an update.
Not sure if they are negatively affecting me or not but I wanted to share what I do.

(BM) Breath of Fire
and UnitPower("player",12) >= 3

->Reduced Breath of Fire to only require 3 Chi power. Down from 4. Result = used more often.

(BM) Elusive Brew
and (count>=5 or (count >=2 and expires - GetTime() < 4))

->Cast Elusive brew more frequently at 5 stacks.

(BM) Guard
and UnitBuffID ("player",118636) ~= nil
then
	if (100*(UnitHealth("player")/UnitHealthMax("player"))) < 100
	then
		CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(115295))
		return true
	end

->Removed Raid requirement and will cast Guard whenever it is off CD and health is less than 100%.

(BM) Purifying Brew
and UnitAffectingCombat("player") 

->Removed combat Requirement

(WW) Tigereye Brew Test
--Excess TB stacks
		if TigerBrew and TigerBrewStacks>=10 and PQR_SpellAvailable(107428) then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(116740))
			RunMacroText("/use 10")
		end

->Excess stacks from 18 to 10. Cast Tigereye Brew @ 10 stacks.

::Aparently not in v5.0::
::Aparently not in v5.0::
::Aparently not in v5.0::
(All) Functions
Removed:
if LFGDungeonReadyPopup:IsVisible()
		or StaticPopup1:IsVisible() then 
    AcceptProposal() 
end  

-> Removed LFG Dungeon auto accept

Please know that I have little to no real indepth knowledge on how the class work, so don't think of this as recommended changes!
I haven't gotten to test these changes in v5.0 on WoW 5.4.

[kuukuu]

There's a few changes that I always make when you release an update.
Not sure if they are negatively affecting me or not but I wanted to share what I do.

(BM) Breath of Fire
and UnitPower("player",12) >= 3

->Reduced Breath of Fire to only require 3 Chi power. Down from 4. Result = used more often.

(BM) Elusive Brew
and (count>=5 or (count >=2 and expires - GetTime() < 4))

->Cast Elusive brew more frequently at 5 stacks.

(BM) Guard
and UnitBuffID ("player",118636) ~= nil
then
	if (100*(UnitHealth("player")/UnitHealthMax("player"))) < 100
	then
		CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(115295))
		return true
	end

->Removed Raid requirement and will cast Guard whenever it is off CD and health is less than 100%.

(BM) Purifying Brew
and UnitAffectingCombat("player") 

->Removed combat Requirement

(WW) Tigereye Brew Test
--Excess TB stacks
		if TigerBrew and TigerBrewStacks>=10 and PQR_SpellAvailable(107428) then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(116740))
			RunMacroText("/use 10")
		end

->Excess stacks from 18 to 10. Cast Tigereye Brew @ 10 stacks.

::Aparently not in v5.0::
::Aparently not in v5.0::
::Aparently not in v5.0::
(All) Functions
Removed:
if LFGDungeonReadyPopup:IsVisible()
		or StaticPopup1:IsVisible() then 
    AcceptProposal() 
end  

-> Removed LFG Dungeon auto accept

Please know that I have little to no real indepth knowledge on how the class work, so don't think of this as recommended changes!
I haven't gotten to test these changes in v5.0 on WoW 5.4.

Most of what I see in those changes is personal taste so it should still work fine but I'll explain my reasoning for the settings I have.

1) BoF is set the way it is so you always have 2 charges of chi for guard when you need it, also it shouldn't be used unless the brew debuff is on the mob or you're in an AoE situation as BoK hits harder for the same chi cost.
2) This to me would be the same as what is already used since all you're doing is shortening the length of time EB is up but also using it more frequently.
3) This one I don't agree with at all as using guard on CD is just wrong from my own experience as well as numerous forums I've read like EJ but if you're not raiding hard content I suppose it won't matter so once again, your mileage may vary.
4) I don't understand this one? Why would you be using PB outside of combat?
5) WW is set to 18 in order to have stacks to line up with procs of trinkets. 10 allows more constant use but you run the risk of having a really crap amount of TeB available if you get a good proc off a trinket that way. If you have evidence that it does more dps, I can definitely take a look into it though.
6) The automatic queue accepting was something that had been added into my personal one and accidentally was pushed out so yes, it has been removed.

Overall I do see anything wrong with the edits and if you have evidence of any of them actually improving things noticeably, please let me know, especially for BM as I don't get much chance to play that spec anymore in a raid setting

Testing your 5.0 Windwalker profile and having issues with Thunder Focus Tea usage on my WW monk. Apparently my monk builds it up to 20 stacks and it never uses them. I dont have ToT trinkets, instead i have Shado Pan assault one, and one from MSV heroic.

Im pretty much sure that, as for WW you will need to change some more things in profile, but this was something that i noticed "off the bat." Our stat priority has been changes, as rotation priority, from what i manage to read from Salty's post and his heavy SimCing.

You might find this helpful:
Bottled Fury: A Windwalker PvE Guide [5.4]

I'm sorry but I'm not understanding this post other then you're somehow not bleeding off stacks at 18 which is strange since you're the only person I've heard have that issue. Are you using the English client? The TeB usage is based around procs of trinkets and the procs in the code are in English so if you're using a different client, it's never going to recognize the proc. I plan on making them multi-lingual as soon as I have a chance but for now it is required, otherwise you will only use TeB at 18 stacks.

From that link you posted me, our rotation hasn't changed at all so that part confuses me, especially when I just beat all of our dps in raid last night and some were 10 ilevels (540) higher then my monk (530) so the rotation works the same as it did in 5.3. Stat priorities have became more fluid based on what gear you have, but those have nothing to do with the rotation from what I can see.

[Enuma]

.... I'm sorry but I'm not understanding this post other then you're somehow not bleeding off stacks at 18 which is strange since you're the only person I've heard have that issue. Are you using the English client? The TeB usage is based around procs of trinkets and the procs in the code are in English so if you're using a different client, it's never going to recognize the proc. I plan on making them multi-lingual as soon as I have a chance but for now it is required, otherwise you will only use TeB at 18 stacks.

From that link you posted me, our rotation hasn't changed at all so that part confuses me, especially when I just beat all of our dps in raid last night and some were 10 ilevels (540) higher then my monk (530) so the rotation works the same as it did in 5.3. Stat priorities have became more fluid based on what gear you have, but those have nothing to do with the rotation from what I can see.

Yea, about rotation.. my bad, i was reading a lots of SimC to remember what is what.
As for rotation issue.. Im using English (UK) game client, latest PQR version, fresh install of your non PQR WW profile and latest PQI. i also tried clearing WTF and cache folder completely. I still have same issue, profile pools 20 TeB and never uses them at all.

Link to a video of an issue:
TeB usage issue

Note that i pooled 20 stacks before i started recording video as to make it as short as i can. I also did manage to count at least 7 new stacks being pooled (7 times timer on TeB went from time remaining to 2mins) which got wasted.

These are the trinkets i use ATM:
http://www.wowhead.com/item=94511
and
http://www.wowhead.com/item=86132

[kuukuu]

Yea, about rotation.. my bad, i was reading a lots of SimC to remember what is what.
As for rotation issue.. Im using English (UK) game client, latest PQR version, fresh install of your non PQR WW profile and latest PQI. i also tried clearing WTF and cache folder completely. I still have same issue, profile pools 20 TeB and never uses them at all.

Link to a video of an issue:
TeB usage issue

Note that i pooled 20 stacks before i started recording video as to make it as short as i can. I also did manage to count at least 7 new stacks being pooled (7 times timer on TeB went from time remaining to 2mins) which got wasted.

These are the trinkets i use ATM:
Vicious Talisman of the Shado-Pan Assault - Item - World of Warcraft
and
Bottle of Infinite Stars - Item - World of Warcraft

Hmmm, strange, I can see the procs going off and they're the same as what it's set up to check. Maybe I messed something up porting it from the PQI version. Can you try the PQI version for me? That's the one I used last night and it worked for me. I'll take a look at 5.0 non PQI and see if I can see what is going on.

[Enuma]

Hmmm, strange, I can see the procs going off and they're the same as what it's set up to check. Maybe I messed something up porting it from the PQI version. Can you try the PQI version for me? That's the one I used last night and it worked for me. I'll take a look at 5.0 non PQI and see if I can see what is going on.

Found the issue. There is a ability in your "Kuukuu_MONK_Rotations.xml" that doesnt exist when i open "Kuukuu_MONK_Abilities.xml" in Ability Editor, its "(WW) Tigereye Brew Test" I couldn't find code for it when i opened Kuukuu_MONK_Abilities.xml in my Notepad ++
That looked odd to me, as i know that it should be codded in Ability file, so i replaced it with Tigereye Brew ability and everything started working just fine.

Screencast of issue:
Tigereye Brew issue

On side note, should we pool that much TeB? If im not mistaken, due to new mastery, ideally we gain the most from using every 10 stacks of TeB thus keeping its uptime constant, not making kinda bursty by pooling it to 18 TeB?

[kuukuu]

Found the issue. There is a ability in your "Kuukuu_MONK_Rotations.xml" that doesnt exist when i open "Kuukuu_MONK_Abilities.xml" in Ability Editor, its "(WW) Tigereye Brew Test" I couldn't find code for it when i opened Kuukuu_MONK_Abilities.xml in my Notepad ++
That looked odd to me, as i know that it should be codded in Ability file, so i replaced it with Tigereye Brew ability and everything started working just fine.

Screencast of issue:
Tigereye Brew issue

On side note, should we pool that much TeB? If im not mistaken, due to new mastery, ideally we gain the most from using every 10 stacks of TeB thus keeping its uptime constant, not making kinda bursty by pooling it to 18 TeB?

Ya I removed the test ability, I guess I forgot to change the rotation itself. Sorry about that. As for the TeB, I'm not sure. Haven't had time to run tests using the different ways of doing it. If you want to give it a shot, let me know your results. As I said above, right now it pools so you can use a full 10 stack TeB when you get trinket procs but you could be right.

Uploaded a fix for the rotation, should be 5.0a.

[xNotta]

Most of what I see in those changes is personal taste so it should still work fine but I'll explain my reasoning for the settings I have.

1) BoF is set the way it is so you always have 2 charges of chi for guard when you need it, also it shouldn't be used unless the brew debuff is on the mob or you're in an AoE situation as BoK hits harder for the same chi cost.
2) This to me would be the same as what is already used since all you're doing is shortening the length of time EB is up but also using it more frequently.
3) This one I don't agree with at all as using guard on CD is just wrong from my own experience as well as numerous forums I've read like EJ but if you're not raiding hard content I suppose it won't matter so once again, your mileage may vary.
4) I don't understand this one? Why would you be using PB outside of combat?
5) WW is set to 18 in order to have stacks to line up with procs of trinkets. 10 allows more constant use but you run the risk of having a really crap amount of TeB available if you get a good proc off a trinket that way. If you have evidence that it does more dps, I can definitely take a look into it though.
6) The automatic queue accepting was something that had been added into my personal one and accidentally was pushed out so yes, it has been removed.

Overall I do see anything wrong with the edits and if you have evidence of any of them actually improving things noticeably, please let me know, especially for BM as I don't get much chance to play that spec anymore in a raid setting

Wow, thank you so much for explaining the reasoning behind those.
Monk is just my alt, so I've not really put in time to master the class and that description actually helps.

The most challenging content he does is LFR.
The 100% guard works well for my with my T14 (Red Crane) 4 set bonus for 20% extra guard absorb in stuff like World bosses, heroic scenarios and works great in heroic dungeons. I basically don't take any damage and my healer gets to dps.
For number 1, it's taste I guess. I like to see my pulls burning, lol.
I will consider reverting my changes to number 3 if I ever tank harder content.
For your number 4, I find that in LFR, I don't get healed after the boss dies and I am still staggering, so I end up clicking PB anyways, that way I can be at full health when I pull trash before the next boss. it's another personal taste I guess. (I'm spec'd into Healing Elixers)
for number 5, I dont have a good reason, just that I DPS in my tank gear, so I dont have any DPS trinkets, lol.

Again, I don't really have advanced knowledge of the class, those were just some things that I liked and wanted to post if someone else might want to try.

Thank you for your reply kuukuu. I love your profile and I appreciate the work you've put into making and maintaining it.