[PQRotation] Firepong's PQR Profile's Feedback - Comments - Question's?

[firepong]

it was patched a week or 2 ago afaik. Cukiemonster and i were discussing it back then.

So about your interrupt ability u use.....

I don't interrupt. My custom interrupt in my SVN as you can see is mainly for leveling. Other than that, if my group absolutely wants me to interrupt, I will holt alt and cast manually, but we have 2 mage's in our raid group, so were almost good on interrupts most of the time.

[jackson27]

Firepong. I adore your profiles so much, but I can't pinpoint what it is, but this last update, seems to have lost me alot of fluidity in rotation, and dps. I think I need more time with it to figure out why

[piratepetey]

it was patched a week or 2 ago afaik. Cukiemonster and i were discussing it back then.

So about your interrupt ability u use.....

GB - the Xelper interrupt that I use had to be modified. Did you possibly run the update on PQR and include the interrupt to overwrite changes you made yourself?

Here's the code I use in the interrupt profile:

local _, playerClass = UnitClass("player")
		
		if playerClass == "DEATHKNIGHT" then
			return 47528
		elseif playerClass == "DRUID" then
				return 106839
		elseif playerClass == "HUNTER" then
			return 34490

[googlebee]

Thanks Pirate, but yes I had an edited version myself. For some reason its not interrupting with this version.

[iliekcoffee]

Hey Firepong, just wanted to say your profiles are awesome. and I was wondering if you intend to add dream of cenarius into your feral cat rotation? right now ej is saying it provides optimal dps. Thanks

[googlebee]

Hey Firepong, just wanted to say your profiles are awesome. and I was wondering if you intend to add dream of cenarius into your feral cat rotation? right now ej is saying it provides optimal dps. Thanks

Umm it uses dream. U just need to spec into it.

[gnitor]

Like googlebee said it's already using DoC, and the smart heal is pretty impressive in raid by the way.

[cukiemunster]

Lol, am I the only one that has found NV to be a bigger dps boost than DoC? I am 492 ilvl with 2 piece bonus, and have done multiple LFR's with both DoC and NV talented, and almost everytime have found my dps to be higher with Nature's Vigil. It lines up great with Berserk and Incarnation, allowing these 3 CDs to be stacked on 3 occasions on most boss fights, last one during the burn phase is very nice. I have tried running with SotF/DoC, but for some reason this combo falls short of Inc/NV everytime, atleast for me.


/shrug

[gnitor]

My experience with a 480 ilvl Feral is that DoC usually is better than NV, however since you have a very nice burst with NV Incarnation and Zerk, then in some fights you will be able to keep that extra dps longer on the DPS and in the end indeed do more Damage. DoC has a much higher general DPS, just lacking this great burst.

Depending on your roster and your fights' lengths, you may want to go with Incarnation/NV. It's really just a matter of fights.

In LFR I generally outdps most Feral after their awesome pulls, because they'll burst again only once more.

[googlebee]

I never pull ahead on a pull as feral. I always rank top 3 in our raid tho. Over casters sometimes. Stacking Mastery will help a ton. Stacking Crit will help more for Incarn and NV.

LFR is not a good benchmark at all - as most of those fights are nearly half the length of a normal or Heroic fight.

Short fights, under 5 min . Incarn/NV may pull ahead. Over 5 min DoC takes the cake. Hands down.

[firepong]

Sadly, I just noticed that my Feral DPS profile does in fact use Mangle only on Elegon, BUT IN certain circumstances. Here's a list of what I gathered:

• If elegon is pulled and facing the little control panel, while the DPS is behind him, it will properly use Shred/Mangle.
• If elegon is pulled and instead facing the back of the room, then it will screw up and go backwards.

My theory on the above is as follows. You all should remember how Ultraxion was a frontal attack Boss, never moving from his spot. Well, with Elegon, he is always in the same spot, never moving, but can be turned. With this in mind, the in-game Blizzard Memory is stating that he is never moving, and in turn, never changing the way he is facing. This memory read is how PQR_UnitFacing() also determines if the Unit is facing another Unit.

Now, with the above in mind, I have a few way's of fixing this, you guys give me feedback on it:

• First Option: For this first one, the raid leader has to make sure that all players have a roll selected as well as the player using my Profile using Raid Frames as well. With this method, I will take Raid2 and Raid3 (These 2 spots should be the Main Tank and Off-Tank if rolls are specified) and make a custom function in the same way I had PQR_FireMangle and facing being done. With this, it will make sure that either of the tank is targeting the same Unit as the player. Then, if both the player and the Tank is facing each other, it will then say "Hey, I can Shred on this, so lets do that" or vise verse.
• Second Option: Make a toggle Button (probably Left Shift or Control) to toggle between either Mangle or Shred Use. With this option, it would possibly fall back to either one if PQR_IsBehindTarget() (Whatever this function is, haven't used it in forever) and select that way. But it will always use Shred first if in Shred Mode and if it determines that you can't Shred and can use Mangle, but in a second, you get behind the target, it will take 3 Seconds (Blizzard in-game warning detection reset timer for telling if player is behind target. It's what pops up the red text in the upper middle screen) to reset and go back to Shred, wasting precious Energy on unneeded moves.

So, again, you guys give me your opinions on which option of the above I should use. I was going to implement the First Option, just because it would actually be better. Again, the Raid Leader would have to make sure everyone had their rolls selected or it could mean bad things.

[googlebee]

option 1 imo -

[cukiemunster]

The role check thing shouldn't be much of a problem since LFR auto-assigns roles, and any RL worth a damn SHOULD have one a role check by the time you get to Elegon. I definitely do not care for the toggle button idea, so I guess option 1 would be my choice as well. But 1 question, with either option, would it cause a dps loss, like you said in a previous post that having PQR_BehindTarget instead of PQR_BehindTarget? This problem seems to be situational, so if you make these changes, could you possibly just add another rotation into your profile for Elegon, instead of implementing it into the main KittyCleave profile? Just a suggestion.

This is a parse from Elegon, with no Shred issues.

[UnrealEck]

It is a small dps increase in some cases, in others it isn't. Multiple Mob fights (Stone Guard - Garalon - Wind Lord - Amber Shaper - Empress - Protectors) it most certainly is not. Perhaps keeping 1.9.8 for those bosses, and using 1.9.9 for non multiple mob bosses is best. Ill compare this week using 1.9.9 and see. (See image below for thrash dmg on a multi mob fight)


@ Firepong: As for interrupt, your previous versions were fine working with Xelpers interrupt file. Not sure what it is. Could you possibly list the interrupt profile you use?

Also, according to my logs, it looks as if !Shred is doing more average per hit then Shred. Image below is from Protectors.

As for whenever energy is at 100% for more than a second, i just manually shred or mangle once/twice. Doesn't happen often.

-GB

With exception of course. On fights where you're trying to top DPS and only trying to top DPS by hitting multiple mobs, then yes. Most people in LFR are solely trying to top DPS instead of focussing on single targets or the target they're supposed to be focussed on. If you're raiding normal or heroic, you need to have more focussed DPS on specific targets most of the time unless it's an encounter in which you have adds coming into the fight in close proximity with each other. If you need AOE, there's always the AOE profile to switch to.
Thrash is dfefinitely fine to use because of the bleed mechanic but as long as it's not being renewed when it's still got plenty of time left on it because that clearcast proc would be better spent on a free Shred (to allow for a new proc without wasting procs) unless of course there's a lot of enemies around you and you're only looking at topping DPS in LFR rather than practicality which is needed outside LFR.

[UnrealEck]

Lol, am I the only one that has found NV to be a bigger dps boost than DoC? I am 492 ilvl with 2 piece bonus, and have done multiple LFR's with both DoC and NV talented, and almost everytime have found my dps to be higher with Nature's Vigil. It lines up great with Berserk and Incarnation, allowing these 3 CDs to be stacked on 3 occasions on most boss fights, last one during the burn phase is very nice. I have tried running with SotF/DoC, but for some reason this combo falls short of Inc/NV everytime, atleast for me.


/shrug

It depends on the fight and the duration. It depends on how and when your cooldowns are used and how many cooldowns you can fit into the fight and how perfectly they fit into it.
Generally on long fights it's probably best to take DoC over NV.