Complain/Cheer thread

[x Royal x]

ALOT OF TRAFFIC. sorry only speak if u know what u are talking about, we have seen an increase ever since scam rules were changed... funny isnt it..

also ur complain about reposts... will it be different than the THOUSANDS of reposts of phishers with only little to no change to them? I think not..

KuR, you've been dodging the traffic post throughout this entire thread.
I don't know how much traffic MMOwned gets, nor do many of our other members.
Therefore, yes, I don't know what I am talking about but I am allowed to make a theory which I presented.

The site may be getting more traffic, but it's doubtful such a change would occur within 3 days of the rules being changed. Possibly due to other sites announcing our change in policies and people coming to check it out.
It'll clear within a few weeks.

Moreover, I am positive you will be losing traffic towards the scam section of the site. Which in turn, is less traffic than what you could be getting.
You may be getting say, x hits/hour now.
With the new rules of the scam section and other reasons for trafficking to come in, say MMOwned gets x+3000 hits/hour.

However, subtracted before that 3000 is the people that left the site due to a change in scam section policies, which, let's say, is 1700 hits an hour.
Now, let's say in the 3000, 400 are from people that are coming because of the change in scamming policies.

You gain 400 hits, you lose 1700, for a net loss of 1300 possible hits.
Sure, you are gaining traffic but it's highly doubtful that that traffic is coming because of the scam section change.

400 new hits for a loss of 1700 hits (in theory) is not improving traffic!!!
If you keep the 1700 hits that used to be there but are now gone due to the scam section change, and you lose the 400 that are incoming because of the scam section change, you'd gain 1300 hits!

In short, you are losing more people visiting for the scam section than you are gaining, which in turn results in a lower theoretical estimate than what it could be!

Right now, according to my totally made up theory, you're getting x+3000 hits/hour where x = avg of old traffic.
Instead of x+4300 hits/hour!

If ALL of the new traffic is coming because of the scam section change...
Then fine, the rules should stand.
But I doubt that's the case as traffic is probably coming in due to new ads, more google hits, Youtube etc, and not just from the news of the scam section change.

KuR, this may not be the best idea to change the rules. I'm stressing the fact that you're losing more people to the scam section than you are gaining! You can gain traffic to the site for more than one reason! You aren't gaining traffic just due to the fact that the rules have changed.

Phishers can go, I said that. New methods should stay; I also said that.
But, according to the rules and what I've been seeing, reposts are being spammed and the "helpful", if you will, scamming methods are being deleted and censored.
That helps no one.

This is just my opinion and in no way an attack on you or the other moderators KuR, just trying to do what's best for the community.

TL;DR

You lose more hits to the scam section than you're gaining.
Overall traffic may be increasing, but could be higher if the rules were changed in the scam section.
Old members would return, which could amount to a theoretical 1700 hits/hour.
The new members would leave which would result in a theoretical 400 hits/hour loss.
1300 hits/hour net gain + all the new traffic that comes for various reasons.

[Woxter]

it's simply stupid.

[webedgar]

great work! keep it this way!

[Errage]

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I like how you make it seem like we get over half (or even a majority) of visitors for the Scam section to emphasize the point you want to make ;D

[x Royal x]

I like how you make it seem like we get over half (or even a majority) of visitors for the Scam section to emphasize the point you want to make ;D

Never even came close to saying that.
I simply said, we'd be losing potential traffic.
My point was you're losing more people to the scam section than you're gaining, in theory.
Which in theory, results in a net loss of possible traffic.

Doesn't have anything to do with scam section pulling in half.

I could change the recipe of my pizza let's say. But I also have sandwiches and salads. I change my pizza recipe because people say it's too fatty, so I make it less fatty and more nutritious. Let's say 20 people like it better this way but wouldn't have eaten it or even come to my restaraunt if I left it the same. On the other hand, 40 people won't eat it because they liked it better before it turned nutritious even though it was fatty. As for the sandwich and salad people, they don't really give a **** because they don't eat it, so their numbers stay the same, in this case let's say 50.

So I get my sandwich people, 50, my salad people, 50, and my nutritional pizza people, 20 to come every week for a total traffic of 120 customers.

Had I kept my pizza recipe the same, I would've gotten 40 for pizza for a total of 140, more traffic, more money.

Of course it's a no brainer to make both a fatty and nutritional pizza in this circumstance, but you can't do both to the scam section. It's either fatty or nutritional.

Understand what I'm saying now? It's *potential* traffic that's being affected.

Also, it seems that it's members that have already been here that are checking out the scam section now because of changes rather than new people coming in. *SOME* members are leaving because of the change, a few new ones are coming in, and old members are checking it out.

It's as if the salad/sandwich people are trying the pizza for a change. No new customers, loss of potential traffic because the old pizza people left and not enough new pizza people are coming in.

[Iraq]

im not a big fan of the scam section, but i agree with royal.

there has been a serious decrease in the number of new posts (in every forum) and the number of users online since these new rules were declared. i dont know how kurios is claiming an increase in traffic if the basic forum stats that are visible to everyone have decreased.

whether or not the scam section was the cause of this, i dont really care. but its clear mmowned is not as popular as it used to be when the scam section was around.

[KuRIoS]

Iraq no there havent... Well actually yesterday there was since the site was slow and had a bit of issues...
At the moment we have "moderation approved" on in the scam section and that causes no threads to be seen by you untill the thread has been approved by a mod...

also scam section before was UTTER reposts.. no one is saying u cant post scams anymore, just that you have to post a how not to fall for them as well... but god, so many people who claim to know about our traffic.

I can put up a THEORY as well as royal, my theory is that we will be losing 1000 thieves on the site, but we will gain 2000 honest people plus more "sponsors" and better publicity meaning more people will come afterall.
So in my theory we will have many more new members. Let's be honest, out of the people using the scam section, only 10-15 ppl had unique ideas and had good posts.. The rest primarily leeched from the others or edited the post a bit only to repost it under "**BRAND NEW** phisher" it was pretty much identical to the 500 other phishers on first past but yea...
What really stroke our nerve however is that an even more increasing number of members (going from forum statistics 90% of them were 12 - 15 ) couldnt see the wrong thing in stealing, it being wow accounts or credit cards or paypals, eventho we set up rules against cc and pp fraud, it still happened so therefore it was a big factor in the change as well.

also as you can see we are striving to be more of a trading site as well now, and with the launch of aion we could see a new section soon if the game is good .

[x Royal x]

Iraq no there havent... Well actually yesterday there was since the site was slow and had a bit of issues...
At the moment we have "moderation approved" on in the scam section and that causes no threads to be seen by you untill the thread has been approved by a mod...

also scam section before was UTTER reposts.. no one is saying u cant post scams anymore, just that you have to post a how not to fall for them as well... but god, so many people who claim to know about our traffic.

I can put up a THEORY as well as royal, my theory is that we will be losing 1000 thieves on the site, but we will gain 2000 honest people plus more "sponsors" and better publicity meaning more people will come afterall.
So in my theory we will have many more new members. Let's be honest, out of the people using the scam section, only 10-15 ppl had unique ideas and had good posts.. The rest primarily leeched from the others or edited the post a bit only to repost it under "**BRAND NEW** phisher" it was pretty much identical to the 500 other phishers on first past but yea...
What really stroke our nerve however is that an even more increasing number of members (going from forum statistics 90% of them were 12 - 15 ) couldnt see the wrong thing in stealing, it being wow accounts or credit cards or paypals, eventho we set up rules against cc and pp fraud, it still happened so therefore it was a big factor in the change as well.

also as you can see we are striving to be more of a trading site as well now, and with the launch of aion we could see a new section soon if the game is good .

KuR, look. There's going to be reposts no matter what. I'd rather 500 new threads than 15 which is what's going to happen. I highly, highly, highly doubt you're going to gain more people to the scam section than you're losing.

[KuRIoS]

KuR, look. There's going to be reposts no matter what. I'd rather 500 new threads than 15 which is what's going to happen. I highly, highly, highly doubt you're going to gain more people to the scam section than you're losing.

Not to be mean or anything, but I dont care if we lose people... NONE of the current staffmembers likes thieves or the scam section, hence we removed it.

[Deathisfear]

NONE of the current staffmembers likes thieves or the scam section, hence we removed it.

Yea, but how does the rest of the community feel? Should've done a poll, not that it would matter you would have still gone and done it anyway. Just saying, I mean I hate keyloggers, Phishers are now useless on Youtube (Due to the fact that they are going and deleting them) and pretty much everything else was useless (To me).

[KuRIoS]

Yea, but how does the rest of the community feel? Should've done a poll, not that it would matter you would have still gone and done it anyway. Just saying, I mean I hate keyloggers, Phishers are now useless on Youtube (Due to the fact that they are going and deleting them) and pretty much everything else was useless (To me).

What would a Poll be good for when we were gonna do it anyways? We are the ones who administer the forums and the ones that are held responsible if anything bad happens, Scam section was something we HATED going over.. With changing that section we have made every section a good place to mod

[x Royal x]

What would a Poll be good for when we were gonna do it anyways? We are the ones who administer the forums and the ones that are held responsible if anything bad happens, Scam section was something we HATED going over.. With changing that section we have made every section a good place to mod

I guess MMOwned is what, an autocracy then?
Sucks that the members have no voice in what content they want to see kept or taken off.
Sounds like America in 1750 to me

[KuRIoS]

I guess MMOwned is what, an autocracy then?
Sucks that the members have no voice in what content they want to see kept or taken off.
Sounds like America in 1750 to me

MMOwned is not, never has and never will be a democracy, I dont know of any other big websites that is a run thru a democracy where everything is voted by members...
take it or leave it, that is how it is

[Heftydogg]

Yea, but how does the rest of the community feel? Should've done a poll, not that it would matter you would have still gone and done it anyway. Just saying, I mean I hate keyloggers, Phishers are now useless on Youtube (Due to the fact that they are going and deleting them) and pretty much everything else was useless (To me).

The results of a poll on this subject would be embarrassing. Not only would it be a unanimous vote for this change to go through, but you'd see the only people voting in support of it being the leechers and obviously scammers.

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You have some neat theories and metaphors, but you're looking at this from only one side. You're arguing that it'd be better business to leave the scam section as it is, but that's just for your own personal interest.

To spin-off your pizza metaphor, let's say we have a pizza corporation with 10,000 employees, 2,000 of them being thieves and steal from the register, fudge the books, cheat customers. Pizza Corp. becomes known for awesome pizza, awesome service, and scumbag employees. Suppliers and buyers become wary. CEO calls down and says to get rid of the 2,000; we don't need them, we're far more successful in other fields of the market.

Grats, we can all do math and see this is a loss. But you can't view it on the short term. Any smart business will make decisions based on long term effects. The moderation team unanimously hates the scam section and the rep it's giving the site, they carefully analyzed the effects involved with changing it, and decided it'd be better in the long run. So Pizza Corp. loses 2,000 employees, clearing their name and making room for fresh blood.

MMOwned finally cleared out the trash. Lets use your numbers and say 3,000 scammers leave because of the changes. (Probably not what they joined nor stayed for). The stats on the front page say Members: 520,122 as of posting this. Check back in a week, I bet the loss of the 3k giving MMOwned a bad rep is replaced with fresh blood. And not that a 12-15 y.o. scammer would understand this--but sometimes it's not about petty numbers. Good will and reputation will get you much farther than a quick buck.

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god, so many people who claim to know about our traffic.

mmowned.com - Traffic Details from Alexa

Not to be mean or anything, but I dont care if we lose people... NONE of the current staffmembers likes thieves or the scam section, hence we removed it.

Well I can't tell you how to operate the site, but say there's an admin who's racist against black people. Would you ban all the black people just because the admins have a personal dislike of them?