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[Fault]

I would pray like everyone else but i'm not a religius person so..umm..good luck?

You can still keeep the families in your thoughts and hope the best for them

too bad, but really i DO understand snor a bit, I mean just because this happened in america or such then its all bad..
how many innocent Iraqi's are killed every day? How many people are getting killed in Africa each day?
Of course it's sad when 33 ppl die, but IN MY OPINION it is nothing major.... it happened in a university, true, but is that really that much different from what is going on in the streets in other parts of the world?

The people that die in Iraq are not necessarily civilians, and it any human loss is major. I feel saddened every time i hear of a car bomb that goes off in the middle east, and kills thousands of people, i dont seclude it to just what goes on here. But the bad thing about it being here is you might know someone who was involved in it, or know someone who was near by when it happens.

[KuRIoS]

yes, but for snor and me, the things in africa or middle east might seem closer, so i actually think that snor was entitled to his comment, to some it might seem harsh, but for him it might seem harsh when ppl are bashing iraqis... and that happens all the time

[Snor11]

Marlo -_-!

If it was not turned into a big deal or on the news people would not be discussing it right now. Kurios is right if we talking about all the other people dieing then this would be happening every day.

[idusy-org]

KuRIoS actually came up with a great point. I was ready to argue against it, saying that the people in undeveloped or "far out" countries are different somehow but... I have to agree... What makes it so much worse just because it was college students in America? Nothing, in all honosty. It's surely very sad, but we don't make such a big hype when 33+ people are killed somewhere else, there's no difference...

To get all philosophical, dieing is just a part of life. Thousands die a day, and we all die in time. It's sad when a loved one dies, but imagine fearing for you life every die in a country like Iraq and suddenly the ones you love, who you've become even more attached to in hard times, all die in a car bombing, or even with the soilders and their families and friens... It's no different then when our loved ones back home die... It's a ridiculous motive, people don't relize how small something like a relationship is when you have your whole life infront of you... Unless you go and do something stupid to end it and curropt every one's around you.....

[Fault]

Marlo -_-!

If it was not turned into a big deal or on the news people would not be discussing it right now. Kurios is right if we talking about all the other people dieing then this would be happening every day.

33 dead is a big deal

[kelat]

what makes this case so tragic is that the persons killed are kids; they are all 18-22 year olds. Its already hard enough for a parent to let go a child when they head off to college. they pray day and night that their child is safe. when something like this happens, parents realize that their child isnt safe. all these kids had a whole life set out in front of them, only to be ended by terrible circumstances. that is what makes this such a big deal. its on the home front, not in some far off country. ofc, i speak in terms of a U.S. citizen, with many friends attend college, and one of who lives in the dorm this initial attack occured in. this makes all these events more real to me than a war far away. am i going to care more about soldiers in Iraq, or whether my friend is actually alive? Soldiers are dying everyday in Iraq, its tragic, but we've all become jaded to it by now. the last attack on a school by an individual where many students died was in March of '05, in minnesota. i remember when that happened, but i never thought too much about it. im older now. i have friends in college, and college is on my horizon as a goal i need to reach in the near future. again, all these events seem that much greater to me now.

i dont care if you are indifferent, or if you flat out disagree with anything i said. im not giving a sermon, preaching to you that you should care. and agreeing to what fault said, just because you arent religious doesnt mean you still cant feel for people involved. im sure that if something tragic happened to you, you would feel comfort in knowing that people are wishing the best for you. im not religious, but i am still going to think of these people and hope the best for them.

and yes, dying is a part of life. there is no escape from that. whats horrible is that a kid can walk into a dorm or a building, and shoot the place up, killing dozens of kids. in the grand scheme of things, its an unfortunate event, a school killing that may or may not be thrown into a history text. in the here and now, its horrible and its terrifying. to think that one can not be safe at his place of education, and has to be in fear that someone will go on a killing rampage. there should be some sort of gun regulation laws, whether that means no one gets a gun, or everyone does. something should have been done after the first shooting, and something should be done to prevent such a travesty from happening again. but of course, hindsight is 20/20.

[EliMob441]

what makes this case so tragic is that the persons killed are kids; they are all 18-22 year olds. Its already hard enough for a parent to let go a child when they head off to college. they pray day and night that their child is safe. when something like this happens, parents realize that their child isnt safe. all these kids had a whole life set out in front of them, only to be ended by terrible circumstances. that is what makes this such a big deal. its on the home front, not in some far off country. ofc, i speak in terms of a U.S. citizen, with many friends attend college, and one of who lives in the dorm this initial attack occured in. this makes all these events more real to me than a war far away. am i going to care more about soldiers in Iraq, or whether my friend is actually alive? Soldiers are dying everyday in Iraq, its tragic, but we've all become jaded to it by now. the last attack on a school by an individual where many students died was in March of '05, in minnesota. i remember when that happened, but i never thought too much about it. im older now. i have friends in college, and college is on my horizon as a goal i need to reach in the near future. again, all these events seem that much greater to me now.

i dont care if you are indifferent, or if you flat out disagree with anything i said. im not giving a sermon, preaching to you that you should care. and agreeing to what fault said, just because you arent religious doesnt mean you still cant feel for people involved. im sure that if something tragic happened to you, you would feel comfort in knowing that people are wishing the best for you. im not religious, but i am still going to think of these people and hope the best for them.

and yes, dying is a part of life. there is no escape from that. whats horrible is that a kid can walk into a dorm or a building, and shoot the place up, killing dozens of kids. in the grand scheme of things, its an unfortunate event, a school killing that may or may not be thrown into a history text. in the here and now, its horrible and its terrifying. to think that one can not be safe at his place of education, and has to be in fear that someone will go on a killing rampage. there should be some sort of gun regulation laws, whether that means no one gets a gun, or everyone does. something should have been done after the first shooting, and something should be done to prevent such a travesty from happening again. but of course, hindsight is 20/20.

I argee...

[Snor11]

what makes this case so tragic is that the persons killed are kids; they are all 18-22 year olds.

? What do you think the people in other countrys are in there 40-50's? they are young to.

[kelat]

do you mean other countries as in the middle east? then yes, they are young too. many are fresh out of high school, others are a little older, 30's or so. but those soldiers, men and women, volunteered: they applied to join military units. Either as in a reserve or a militia or what ever. in the back of their minds, they know there is the chance that they will be in combat, and may well be killed. thats far from what kids at college should expect. a soldier is payed to kill and be killed. a student pays to learn. =/

[Relz]

guys, its clear snor11 is trying to act hardcore. hes saying 33 people dieing is no big deal so he lookes like hes a tough guy. 33 people died dude, thats sad and tragic you dont need to act like an ass. sure, people in other countrys are killed too, that doesnt mean no one cares about them and only cares about the US citizens. I think you need to go play with your Hulk shoes and leave the serious discussions to the people who are ready for them.

[Alkhara Majere]

Closing this now..

[idusy-org]

I understand and respect your decision to close this Alkhara, but aside from some slight flaming, the discussions of this thread breaks no rules. It's in off-topic chat, there's no reason to close it, even if it did swerve a bit from the point.

do you mean other countries as in the middle east? then yes, they are young too. many are fresh out of high school, others are a little older, 30's or so. but those soldiers, men and women, volunteered: they applied to join military units. Either as in a reserve or a militia or what ever. in the back of their minds, they know there is the chance that they will be in combat, and may well be killed. thats far from what kids at college should expect. a soldier is payed to kill and be killed. a student pays to learn. =/

Not just soldiers, kids that aren't even fortunite enough to go to school, or go to terrible schools, and everyday innocent bystanders. And that's simply talking about Iraq, a small country, one of many in similar situations, or worse. The reason you hear about soldiers dieing in Iraq is of course, they are American. No matter what people are "expecting", a life is a life. Kids of foreign countries aren't as important because they expect there's a good chance they might die? Of course not. It goes back to my "loved ones" statement, only when it's on your home turf do you pay attention, even for those who don't know any of the victems in the least.

guys, its clear snor11 is trying to act hardcore. hes saying 33 people dieing is no big deal so he lookes like hes a tough guy. 33 people died dude, thats sad and tragic you dont need to act like an ass. sure, people in other countrys are killed too, that doesnt mean no one cares about them and only cares about the US citizens. I think you need to go play with your Hulk shoes and leave the serious discussions to the people who are ready for them.

You clearly didn't read the rest of the posts... 33 people dieing is certainly sad, but it happens all the time, many times in much larger numbers. I don't like the way snor put it, but he has a point. Simply because they're Americans, it's that much more important? We're all humans, why are these deaths more tragic then the countless number of deaths over the span of mankind?

[Relz]

Idusy, I never said no one cared about the other people who died, as I stated most people dont only care about US citizens, and I know many others die in other countrys. That is still no reason for snor to think a humans life is worth no more then a blade of grass.

[idusy-org]

Idusy, I never said no one cared about the other people who died, as I stated most people dont only care about US citizens, and I know many others die in other countrys. That is still no reason for snor to think a humans life is worth no more then a blade of grass.

I don't think he ment that he flat out didn't care, it's just that 33 lives is hardly significent when weighed against how many others there's been, even in just the past week, yet the media and everyone here make it out to be something... New...

[Fault]

what makes this case so tragic is that the persons killed are kids; they are all 18-22 year olds. Its already hard enough for a parent to let go a child when they head off to college. they pray day and night that their child is safe. when something like this happens, parents realize that their child isnt safe. all these kids had a whole life set out in front of them, only to be ended by terrible circumstances. that is what makes this such a big deal. its on the home front, not in some far off country. ofc, i speak in terms of a U.S. citizen, with many friends attend college, and one of who lives in the dorm this initial attack occured in. this makes all these events more real to me than a war far away. am i going to care more about soldiers in Iraq, or whether my friend is actually alive? Soldiers are dying everyday in Iraq, its tragic, but we've all become jaded to it by now. the last attack on a school by an individual where many students died was in March of '05, in minnesota. i remember when that happened, but i never thought too much about it. im older now. i have friends in college, and college is on my horizon as a goal i need to reach in the near future. again, all these events seem that much greater to me now.

i dont care if you are indifferent, or if you flat out disagree with anything i said. im not giving a sermon, preaching to you that you should care. and agreeing to what fault said, just because you arent religious doesnt mean you still cant feel for people involved. im sure that if something tragic happened to you, you would feel comfort in knowing that people are wishing the best for you. im not religious, but i am still going to think of these people and hope the best for them.

and yes, dying is a part of life. there is no escape from that. whats horrible is that a kid can walk into a dorm or a building, and shoot the place up, killing dozens of kids. in the grand scheme of things, its an unfortunate event, a school killing that may or may not be thrown into a history text. in the here and now, its horrible and its terrifying. to think that one can not be safe at his place of education, and has to be in fear that someone will go on a killing rampage. there should be some sort of gun regulation laws, whether that means no one gets a gun, or everyone does. something should have been done after the first shooting, and something should be done to prevent such a travesty from happening again. but of course, hindsight is 20/20.

I agree whole heartedly. And yes dying is a part of life, but so is sin ,evil, and starvation; and that doesnt give it any reason just to look the otherway.

You clearly didn't read the rest of the posts... 33 people dieing is certainly sad, but it happens all the time, many times in much larger numbers. I don't like the way snor put it, but he has a point. Simply because they're Americans, it's that much more important? We're all humans, why are these deaths more tragic then the countless number of deaths over the span of mankind?

Yes, because they are Americans, it is more important, or more so, hits closer to home. The reason is not that Americans are better human beings, or any stupid racist thing like that, but the fact that they are ameicans also, in being they are our brothers, our sisters, our friends, our family, they are closer to us, so its easier for us to empathize with them. Now we should feel bad for nations like iraq, iran, pakistan, and other african nations when they suffer loses like this, but many of them are in a state of war, and these acts are done in an act of war. In those nations, these are politically/religiously motivated acts of terrorism (the act of striking terror by targeting civilians and/or symbolic targets with acts of violence in order to prove a point or change something, motivated by political, military, or religous reasons [we discuss this in Global Issues a lot]). This was not an act of terrorism, this was cold blooded mass murder. The difference? Terrorism, there is a reason, no matter how rediculous it is; Mass murder, there is no deep reason, besides maybe phsycological issues. Death is never a thing you should simply turn your head and ignore, death is a part of life, but early/young deaths that could have easily been prevented, are one of the worst things