Vitalic Elite Rogue Combat Routine | Classic

[xLegendx]

Pretty sure I'm getting glad this season on rogue, thanks Vitalic

[dowerz]

what about Probably Engine? I know you can't do a full blown .dll but this seems like a good way to have a rotation with minimal chance of detection. It requires a LUA unlocker but you dont have to use something like firehack. I use oLUA and it works just fine. I've been playing on my Pally for arenas using a semi-ok CR and i can play at 2k easily. Someone like vitalic or those guys could easily write something special for it.

The thing with these other bot programs is the bans are coming from the automated crap. The farming, the leveling and all of that. If you had a bot where it didnt allow for AFK anything, just combat automation it would be so difficult to detect. The bans come from player reporting, and tracking certain behaviors and pathing, etc... Instead of blizz banning the ppl who get reported on, they study what they are doing and then gather data on everyone else doing the same things. So when rebot or HB or whatever gets a massive ban its typically because of reporting and then watching all of this stuff.

Sure you can get reported in arenas or pvp by people, but if that was the only thing the bot did the amount of bans for accounts that only did that would be crazy low. Ideally the best bot would be only for PVE and PVP CRs and not allow automation and not allow automated interrupts(which is the #1 reason ppl get reported). I still think the first step is the Glad Suite guys and Vitalic have to move to a bot platform that allows for arena. Then its really up to the botter to use the bot smart and not get banned.

[Taran32]

what about Probably Engine? I know you can't do a full blown .dll but this seems like a good way to have a rotation with minimal chance of detection. It requires a LUA unlocker but you dont have to use something like firehack. I use oLUA and it works just fine. I've been playing on my Pally for arenas using a semi-ok CR and i can play at 2k easily. Someone like vitalic or those guys could easily write something special for it.

The thing with these other bot programs is the bans are coming from the automated crap. The farming, the leveling and all of that. If you had a bot where it didnt allow for AFK anything, just combat automation it would be so difficult to detect. The bans come from player reporting, and tracking certain behaviors and pathing, etc... Instead of blizz banning the ppl who get reported on, they study what they are doing and then gather data on everyone else doing the same things. So when rebot or HB or whatever gets a massive ban its typically because of reporting and then watching all of this stuff.

Sure you can get reported in arenas or pvp by people, but if that was the only thing the bot did the amount of bans for accounts that only did that would be crazy low. Ideally the best bot would be only for PVE and PVP CRs and not allow automation and not allow automated interrupts(which is the #1 reason ppl get reported). I still think the first step is the Glad Suite guys and Vitalic have to move to a bot platform that allows for arena. Then its really up to the botter to use the bot smart and not get banned.

If I remember correctly, PE was the go-to for some folks who lost accounts in the PQR banwave back in 2013. Then PE had a banwave of its own, and many of those same people lost second accounts. I'm not entirely sure how safe it is nowadays, but that's one of the things that kept me from trying it.

[vitalic]

@dowerz Probably Engine is a library designed to make writing rotations easier, aside from the fact it is an addon (which may or may not actually represent an increase in risk), it is no more or less safe than the unlocker being used alongside it. Whatever unlocker the majority of people switched to would likely become the next target, and if it were a publicly available one you would be a sitting duck in the current climate. I don't think there is anything with a "minimal chance" of detection right now, anything that has an unblemished record likely just hasn't been targeted yet. In that sense splintering off into smaller, distinct projects like Soapbox did is perhaps best from a game theory perspective, because it at least somewhat lessens your chance of being targeted, at least probabilistically - and if you are using a somewhat different technique to other programs then you are also less likely to be caught in the collateral damage of one of those other programs being targeted. Rebot represented an attractive option because it is similar enough to HB to make the migration to it many times easier than any other option on the table, but one wonders whether the recent spate of bans for Rebot (which they are somehow adamant was not caused by software detection) is not just Blizzard showing they are one step ahead.

[CodesCyper]

Does this profile only support lvl 100? I cant seem to get it to start.

[Taran32]

@dowerz Probably Engine is a library designed to make writing rotations easier, aside from the fact it is an addon (which may or may not actually represent an increase in risk), it is no more or less safe than the unlocker being used alongside it. Whatever unlocker the majority of people switched to would likely become the next target, and if it were a publicly available one you would be a sitting duck in the current climate. I don't think there is anything with a "minimal chance" of detection right now, anything that has an unblemished record likely just hasn't been targeted yet. In that sense splintering off into smaller, distinct projects like Soapbox did is perhaps best from a game theory perspective, because it at least somewhat lessens your chance of being targeted, at least probabilistically - and if you are using a somewhat different technique to other programs then you are also less likely to be caught in the collateral damage of one of those other programs being targeted. Rebot represented an attractive option because it is similar enough to HB to make the migration to it many times easier than any other option on the table, but one wonders whether the recent spate of bans for Rebot (which they are somehow adamant was not caused by software detection) is not just Blizzard showing they are one step ahead.

Toizi is under the impression ReBot wasn't detected because he and his beta testers didn't get hit. That's actually really surprising so I'm not sure what GS is going to do. Seems like they're moving forward with the dual release on HB for RBGs, BGs, and ReBot for Arena. I personally think it had to have been detected and I'm very wary to stray from HB given I mainly do RBGs anyway with your routine and others. Not to mention I really enjoy having that tripwire. I've given up on Arena entirely to avoid the reports I probably received in 2s and 3s.

[Perelman]

@Taran32 of course ReBot is detected, one way or the other. What we see now is the (needed) damage control. As a side note, i can't believe you still clinch to the idea that supposedly arena reports had anything to do with HB banwave. The funny thing is, there is still arena botters every third game at 2.8 mmr. Its actually became a sport to pinpoint who bots, for fun, and its so widespread and accepted that noone actually cares anymore. You know why noone cares? Because the game has reached rock bottom, its almost as if people are subconciously rooting for botters to put the final nail in the coffin.

[Taran32]

@Taran32 of course ReBot is detected, one way or the other. What we see now is the (needed) damage control. As a side note, i can't believe you still clinch to the idea that supposedly arena reports had anything to do with HB banwave. The funny thing is, there is still arena botters every third game at 2.8 mmr. Its actually became a sport to pinpoint who bots, for fun, and its so widespread and accepted that noone actually cares anymore. You know why noone cares? Because the game has reached rock bottom, its almost as if people are subconciously rooting for botters to put the final nail in the coffin.

Oh I'm fully aware that HB got hit because of a detection as well. I'm just saying that I plan to avoid Arenas entirely for any future bot waves/bans that aren't detection related. HB has a steady stream of bans anyway outside of the waves, and even though I only use it for CR use, I've just decided it's better safe than sorry for the in-between stuff by avoiding the areas where more people are likely to report (and get my account manually investigated) out of spite on a loss. RBGs (even at the 2k+ range) don't have that issue outside of flyhackers.

[shartshorn]

Can someone please confirm if this works on private servers or not? I would like to use this on the private server Warmane, which is technically arena tournament merged with Molten. After these banwaves i'm officially done playing retail WoW lol.

[Taran32]

Can someone please confirm if this works on private servers or not? I would like to use this on the private server Warmane, which is technically arena tournament merged with Molten. After these banwaves i'm officially done playing retail WoW lol.

His PQR profiles work for the Private servers I believe. The MOP and Cata ones.

[gladixi]

@Taran32 of course ReBot is detected, one way or the other. What we see now is the (needed) damage control. As a side note, i can't believe you still clinch to the idea that supposedly arena reports had anything to do with HB banwave. The funny thing is, there is still arena botters every third game at 2.8 mmr. Its actually became a sport to pinpoint who bots, for fun, and its so widespread and accepted that noone actually cares anymore. You know why noone cares? Because the game has reached rock bottom, its almost as if people are subconciously rooting for botters to put the final nail in the coffin.

Well said sir, well said.

[yarogg]

Can some one explain the sap logic, when it sap, why, and why its not saping 1 v 1?

Also why is the opening macros not working (cs and garrotte) am I doing smthin wrong?

[Reff52]

Does Vitalic's routine already work for rebot?

Also Is there a try before buy option. I've only heard the best thing about your rotations, however I am a bit skeptical due to the fact I tried Tuanha's Routine for rogue [with all respect to his routines he does a great job]. While it was pretty good, and did everything I expected it to do, it wasn't smart. What I mean by that it worked off simple percentages ect. Example: at this combo point do this, at this hp do this. It just kidney shot because it was available ect.

I saw that you had a lot of different priority settings, it would sap>this>cheap shot when that, ect.

Rogues aren't like a warlock or warrior, you can't just perfect a rotation, dot all targets, interrupt all targets and expect to hit extremely high ratings. I'm sure you know all this and you're probably one of the most, if not, the most famous combat script.

Rogues are a difficult class to CR due to their uniqueness, They have so many abilities, and so many interupt. e.g when should it vanish/garrote, and know that it should save vanish for a situation more appropriate.

A lot of these smart decision making skills comes from a player. The big question is, how have you integrated it into your routine, so that you can have on demand kidney shots, or on demand vanish saps?

I noticed you had 4 options or something, where you can change between lazy mode, ect all down to veteran. I would really like a try before buy option, if we could talk over skype or some other program or even just respond to this message would be great . I'm very interested to hear from you.

[vitalic]

@Reff52 No it does not support Rebot, and I do not have the ability to offer trials. I assume you are aware that Honorbuddy no longer supports arena.

So funnily enough I used to have the same skepticism, in fact you can see a post from two years ago where I was expressing my reluctance to ever release anything for PvP. Turns out I was wrong (except about the full-time job bit). You can automate it, it just takes a lot of time and effort (read: years) and there is never a point where you can say there is no room for improvement. In simple terms, by default you are given the highest level of automation (which is still far from full automation, i.e. it will not currently Cloak/Vanish defensively) and then you can reduce the automation in favor of, or supplement the automated logic with hotkeys/macros for on demand use.

@yarogg It will only sap your focus target (unless it's an out of stealth Rogue or a stealthed unit), macros are disabled right now as a security precaution - you should use the hotkeys in the GUI.

[CodesCyper]

@Reff52 No it does not support Rebot, and I do not have the ability to offer trials. I assume you are aware that Honorbuddy no longer supports arena.

So funnily enough I used to have the same skepticism, in fact you can see a post from two years ago where I was expressing my reluctance to ever release anything for PvP. Turns out I was wrong (except about the full-time job bit). You can automate it, it just takes a lot of time and effort (read: years) and there is never a point where you can say there is no room for improvement. In simple terms, by default you are given the highest level of automation (which is still far from full automation, i.e. it will not currently Cloak/Vanish defensively) and then you can reduce the automation in favor of, or supplement the automated logic with hotkeys/macros for on demand use.

@yarogg It will only sap your focus target (unless it's an out of stealth Rogue or a stealthed unit), macros are disabled right now as a security precaution - you should use the hot keys in the GUI.

I cant seem to get this profile to do anything, Burst mode is on and so is lazy, after i set the opener macro it only does cheap shot and nothing else. Can you please help me with getting this profile going, Id really love to try it out.