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    Blizzard is scanning the memory for Bot software names

    Consent to Monitor.
    DURING YOUR REGISTRATION FOR THE BATTLE.NET ACCOUNT YOU GRANT YOUR CONSENT TO THE FOLLOWING: WHEN RUNNING, THE GAME MAY MONITOR YOUR COMPUTER’S RANDOM ACCESS MEMORY (RAM) FOR UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAMS RUNNING CONCURRENTLY WITH THE GAME. AN “UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM” AS USED HEREIN SHALL BE DEFINED AS ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE PROHIBITED BY SECTION 2. IN THE EVENT THAT THE GAME DETECTS AN UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM, THE GAME MAY (a) COMMUNICATE INFORMATION BACK TO BLIZZARD, INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION YOUR ACCOUNT NAME, DETAILS ABOUT THE UNAUTHORIZED THIRD PARTY PROGRAM DETECTED, AND THE TIME AND DATE; AND/OR (b) EXERCISE ANY OR ALL OF ITS RIGHTS UNDER THIS AGREEMENT, WITH OR WITHOUT PRIOR NOTICE TO THE USER.
    Blizzard Entertainment: Diablo III End User License Agreement

    Is Blizzard scanning the memory for bot strings?

    They reading the memory out since the beginning of WoW. http://www.schneier.com/blog/archive...rd_entert.html

    Blizzard is scanning the memory for Bot software names
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    Iirc they stopped doing that after some shitstorm where people were mad at Blizzard scanning their PC for pr0n and other related personal stuff.

    Also if it was the case, most botters would be banned ages ago.

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    so they dont do that anymore ?

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    The EULA clearly states that they do scan the memory for 3rd party programs. Why should they ban all at once? They can ban with the RMAH market in mind. To much inflation = banning.

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    Well, not to keep the fire burning but it is in their EULA. Why would they put something in their EULA they no longer do?

    I don't even know what it means though tbh. Just seems to weird to hear they dont do something they they clearly state they still do...

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    lol bizzard scanning PC for porn? lmao

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    Blizzard does not scan outside of memory "owned" by D3 (or d2, wow and sc2). That's a fact. If you try to argue something else then at least post some proof backing up your claims.
    That doesn't mean the EULA is wrong though. They just didn't specify the limitations of their scans.

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    Originally Posted by _Mike View Post
    Blizzard does not scan outside of memory "owned" by D3 (or d2, wow and sc2). That's a fact. If you try to argue something else then at least post some proof backing up your claims.
    That doesn't mean the EULA is wrong though. They just didn't specify the limitations of their scans.
    I'm not doubting you or disagreeing, but I find this stuff interesting to read about and look into. Do you have any proof backing up your fact?

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    http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/worl...-governor.html (Warden and 'The Governor')
    It's a few years old and written in the context of wow but the same thing still applies to D3, minus the driver scan which the D3 warden doesn't do. Or if you want to verify it yourself use a debugger and watch the APIs mentioned in On Warden: Privacy and you

    Edit/update:
    The message you get when you start wow with for example Cheat Engine running is not part of the anti cheat system. It just serves as a warning that you could get banned if you use CE in the wrong way.
    Last edited by _Mike; 07-19-2012 at 07:17 PM.

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    Originally Posted by _Mike View Post
    Blizzard does not scan outside of memory "owned" by D3 (or d2, wow and sc2). That's a fact.
    Your opinion is not in agreement with the EULA. They write explicit that they do not limit the scans to their own software. And then we can observe that many of the recent bans target program user, which use software which is not interfering with the Diablo 3 program memory space (AutoIT or DemonBuddy).

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    Originally Posted by meta23 View Post
    Your opinion is not in agreement with the EULA. They write explicit that they do not limit the scans to their own software. And then we can observe that many of the recent bans target program user, which use software which is not interfering with the Diablo 3 program memory space (AutoIT or DemonBuddy).
    What don't you understand are you that slow? I'm sorry admins this dude is a troll.

    It's in the EULA because it's something they used to do. Do you not understand what USED TO DO means ? They stopped doing it because it is illegal and violates several privacy laws. The fact that its still in the EULA just means they're lazy and never update it.

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    Originally Posted by meta23 View Post
    Your opinion is not in agreement with the EULA. They write explicit that they do not limit the scans to their own software. And then we can observe that many of the recent bans target program user, which use software which is not interfering with the Diablo 3 program memory space (AutoIT or DemonBuddy).
    It's not opinion, it's fact. I even wrote how you can verify it yourself if you don't believe me.

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    Originally Posted by Markn12 View Post
    What don't you understand are you that slow? I'm sorry admins this dude is a troll.

    It's in the EULA because it's something they used to do. Do you not understand what USED TO DO means ? They stopped doing it because it is illegal and violates several privacy laws. The fact that its still in the EULA just means they're lazy and never update it.
    Why are you shooting the OP down? Probably the OP is trying to clear some doubts before he/she run a bot or not. EULA is there for a reason, they enforce the EULA screen for a reason, Why can't you answer like Mike does?

    I don't follow blizzard or any other associated companies's EULA how do i know they stop doing it? I just read about it cause i am too afraid blizzard will use their EULA to take my accounts away. Links to the said "They stopped doing it because it is illegal and violates several privacy laws"?

    So does this mean antivirus softwares are violating the laws by scanning our files? I need answer!!

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    Originally Posted by omghaxla View Post
    I don't follow blizzard or any other associated companies's EULA how do i know they stop doing it? I just read about it cause i am too afraid blizzard will use their EULA to take my accounts away. Links to the said "They stopped doing it because it is illegal and violates several privacy laws"?

    So does this mean antivirus softwares are violating the laws by scanning our files? I need answer!!
    Firstly, I'm not exactly sure if what Blizzard was doing was illegal or not. I would imagine there would be plenty of lawsuits filed against them if it were but I can't find a single case against them, except random blog posts stating that they have been sued for it.
    Secondly, even if it is illegal antivirus software is different. You already know before installing it that it's main purpose is to scan your computer and you give consent by installing it. I think spyware and privacy laws only apply for software that doesn't clearly inform you that it will scan your computer.

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    Originally Posted by _Mike View Post
    Firstly, I'm not exactly sure if what Blizzard was doing was illegal or not. I would imagine there would be plenty of lawsuits filed against them if it were but I can't find a single case against them, except random blog posts stating that they have been sued for it.
    Secondly, even if it is illegal antivirus software is different. You already know before installing it that it's main purpose is to scan your computer and you give consent by installing it. I think spyware and privacy laws only apply for software that doesn't clearly inform you that it will scan your computer.
    Well Mike, I understand what you are saying but sometime it make me wonder if the EULA can be used against the user/player. Someone like me that know nothing about Blizzard's EULA reading that Warden may scan my Memory for 3rd-party is enough to make me worry. Put it this way,

    1. EULA screen is enforced once you newly login to your account.
    2. EULA says it may scan my PC's RAM for illegal 3rd-party programs. (Sorta like accept it or don't play if TLDR)
    3. And then come Markn12 calling OP retard and whatnot saying it is illegal but blizzard just lazy to change it.
    4. And yours saying it will scan partially and not all the files (which i find it acceptable as an answer)
    5. So if the EULA is not updated, they are still violating the privacy by not listing it may scan partially and not all
    6. They can not know that we are running 3rd-party softwares via warden if it's totally illegal.
    7. This is an endless discussion unless someone is sueing them.

    Reason i posted is actually to annoy Markn12 cause "How do we know that he/she not a retard calling others retard." I know i troll a little but at the same time i am quite intrigue by the EULA. Gonna google more later.

    Oh and the Antivirus thing was a joke and also my point. They automatically have your consent once you press "Agree" and because it is antivirus you will automatically know that it will do that and at the same time Blizzard could use the similar trick to trick the players into thinking it is just an EULA and it's TOO DANG LONG to read i'll just press agree to skip those annoying text attitude to take your account away so you will either stop or make another purchase. They don't care if you stop cause they already have your money.
    Last edited by omghaxla; 07-20-2012 at 08:52 AM.

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