Environment Changing

[eth0x666]

I agree that my statement was perhaps a bit situational. Indeed, going to school, learning an instrument, a martial arts etc, to learn is a good thing. And honestly you need teachers for these things. There's very little "figure it out on your own" in the real world... However this is different. This is changing cosmetics for a game world, used for recreation. There's no demand to be taught because it's all highly learnable, so a guide is unnecessary.

Two more points: If you do it on your own, you learn the techniques first hand. This is the best way to learn. You learn the concepts, you learn the way of doing it, and by doing this you get better. Also, doing this teaches you how to think out there in the real world. These skills of thinking can be applied to most things in life, and will come in greatly helpful. The final point is.. There are things on the line here. As more and more guides and techniques become public, the more people will use it and exploit with it. And then blizzard nerfs it.

Blizzard has done it before. They first made it so that the game didn't read the file alone. Then they made it only read files with the correct treepaths. Then it had to be packed into an MPQ with Treepath. Then they went all out at added outright blocked mechanisms to stop us. Admittedly, the first two might have been internal database organization methods, but they were nerfs in the time it took to figure out how to get around it. When blizzard nerds model changing, they nerf the ability to create. It's such a fantastic thing... The power of creation. No longer are you trapped in blizzards world, you can now create your own. It's wonderful... And it's an art. You end up getting rid of an art form, and I find that be not selfish, but absolutely horrible. You can see why, I'm sure.

So you just found out how to edit models, out of nowhere, it just popped into your head?

You're only mad because more then just you can do this. Shut up, get out.

[davidpro]

So you just found out how to edit models, out of nowhere, it just popped into your head?

You're only mad because more then just you can do this. Shut up, get out.

yes thats how it happened hes a nog-aholic so he just played around with stuff until it changed and i wouldn't mess with snake

[idusy-org]

So you just found out how to edit models, out of nowhere, it just popped into your head?

You're only mad because more then just you can do this. Shut up, get out.

Prepare to get hit by a bunch of words seasoned in pure ownage.

[Adrenalin3]

So you just found out how to edit models, out of nowhere, it just popped into your head?

You're only mad because more then just you can do this. Shut up, get out.

You dont need to flame snake if he is just making a point...He's not saying he's mad because know how to do it.If snake was the only one who knew how he wouldnt be happy im sure...There are lots of requests on this forum and him being the only one who would know how wouldnt have any time to do it all.So snake is pretty lucky other people know how.I suggest you shut up and get out...

[kelat]

Adding onto Snake's comment, by learning for yourself how to do something yields such a wonderful feeling. Don't you feel more accomplished when you perform something flawlessly, without the help from anyone? I would hope at least, that the same applies for model editing. And whenever you pick up something new, you first get a hang of the basics, and move on slowly and surely, slowly building upon what you have learned. This is part of the learning process; you can't expect to have everything laid out in front of you. You yourself need to learn for yourself, otherwise you haven't learned anything at all. You've learned to depend on others. It's just not practical. It's a sad truth. I myself do not edit models; I speak upon real world application. And if I do ever decide to try my hand at model editing, I would want to discover how to perform certain types of edits myself, no matter how frustrated I became. Think about the ones who first experimented with this, and with all things. They had nothing to go upon. I stand firmly behind Snake's comments, for they are filled with truth and wisdom.

[Warlock in Space]

Well if anyone is wondering I'm working on making elwynn a desert now. I was considering doing ED at first but really, that's the most commonly done thing nobody would be interested...

[A_Snake01]

So you just found out how to edit models, out of nowhere, it just popped into your head?

You're only mad because more then just you can do this. Shut up, get out.

Your aggression says something to me. I feel the jealousy radiating through my computer screen. What is it about me that makes you jealous? Is it my purple name? The amount of rep I have? Maybe it’s my actual reputation, why people respect me and my opinions? Are you jealous that you have no reputation to speak for yourself? I see an angry person behind that monitor of yours. One who feels insignificant and puny, so you need a way to express your agitation with the world. Of course, in this situation, the people who feel unimportant take it out on those they, in the back of their minds, think are important. I’m honored.

Should I shed light on some of my origins, then? So be it. It was a long time ago, around the patch of 1.7; Zul’Gurub. I’ve been playing since very early beta at that point, and was growing just a bit bored of the game. I was still an avid explorer though, and I loved the idea of seeing that rarely seen thing, Hyjal, Caverns of Time, the southern half of silithus(which was still shrouded in mystery back then)… But I was running out of things to explore. One day, I was browsing the internet and stumbled across a movie. This movie contained the first model change I ever saw. I don’t recall the specifics, sadly, but, if I remember correctly, it was something simple, like a creature swap. But that didn’t matter. Not a lick. I was absolutely enthralled by it. How did he do this? I know this area doesn’t exist, I’ve seen them all. So I searched. I tried hundreds of google search queries, then I was redirected to the magnificent page of Developer Linghuye. I found his tool. A tool called MyWarcraftStudio. I downloaded it and opened it. I will not lie, for the first 2 or 3 days, I was stumped. I had no idea what to do. The entire concept of model changing eluded me at this point, until, heh, yes Eth, the idea really did just pop into my head.. “What if you call one model another model?” It unraveled from there.

I ended up experimenting with BLPs, then WMO then DBCs… ADTS,. I experimented with them all. Don’t get me wrong; they all stopped me dead in my tracks at one point or another; especially DBCs, because they’re all just so vastly different. But I learned how to edit on my own. No help.

Now honestly, your second statement saddens me. Why would I be mad that others can do what I can? I want people to learn. I want people to grow. I want people to understand. You notice that I used to provide hints every now and then? I don’t do it as often as I did. Do you know why? Because people don’t care about hints. It’s about the instant gratification. “I want to know now!” It’s a very sad thing when people steer away from learning, and learning it on your own. Taking the time to figure it out, to explore the possibilities… To finally understand… It’s not there anymore, that satisfaction and determination. There are a few people though. People like Shattered, like Macroman. These are people who learn on their own, who will understand it. These people are people I respect, because they are learning. They are working to understand. But it is with great dismay that I say; they are a dying breed.

As a general rule, people are growing more and more toward the idea of “guides are great.” Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t honestly expect people to just pick up model changing from nothing. That is a bit too extreme, as such I find guides like Krazzees’ age old one quite fine and appropriate. But beyond that, no. There is just no reasonable angle to justify it, as I have stated. Guides breed those that can do no more except what was taught to them in the guide. That’s no good at all. As an aside, there also reside on these forums, the people who would use this as an unfair advantage. I know, go ahead. Laugh at me. Preaching your ethics and morals on a forum that glorifies hacking and the use of exploits? Preposterous! Yeah yeah, think what you will. But the thing is, model editing is an art forum. This art is different than most though… It is frowned on and discouraged by Blizzard, because of it’s very potential to be exploited. You can create things with this art form. You can create your own worlds, your own ideas. But it can be exploited, and those that use this to exploit are no better than scum. That you would nerf the greatest gift Blizzard could give for your own 10 seconds of amusement is atrocious.

*sigh*… It’s all useless, I understand that, but I don’t want to accept it.

Anyway, you heard my reasons. You see my point of view, though you won’t agree with it, I’m sure. I love to see people grow and learn. I want to let Model Changing live as long as it can, because it’s a fantastic gift... The gift of creation. I’m not mad at all, that people can do what I can. Not the slightest.

[kelat]

Because people don’t care about hints. It’s about the instant gratification.

Yep.

[Zero-Cool]

Not to sound a little, I dunno offstandish. I was in Nogg for a little while, well at least at the forums, I learned to M2 swap because of the "hints" about Coffee, and learned how to BLP edit for the quest on my own. Google is a great tool to search for programs by the way. I learned DBC editing with a little help on the IRC, and did my first taxi destination change with it, using the Org zep to get to Hyjal. Then I read a guide on armor swapping. I have to agree now that I look back, learning how to m2 swap and BLP edit was wonderful. Its kind of like Aceing a test you were sure that you would fail. While the DBC editing was only hints it was more like asking the teacher for help, and made me feel slightly unworthy of my grade. Though the guid for armor swapping, when I did it I said to myself "Yes! Finally!.... Now what?" IT was more like cheating off the kid next to me for that A. Its just not the same, and while you might not care, and yes I realize I asked for a guide, its amazing. Not too mention after Snakes little post to me, I went to try and figure out my edit, now while I am still pecking at it, I find that once I get the edited BLPs to load, I will be much more satisfied with my work.

Sorry for starting all this up,
Zero