[DBC Edits] Secret DBC Edits now Released

[L'Lawliet]

yes i do i do modelediting so what he realeses it for a little while wow cant stop modelediting or else then there would have to be one file and in that one file they would make programs to read it no way to stop model editing

[Cypher]

Due to the clientside nature of the game, model changing will ALWAYS be possible. Just like teleportation is. Whether it will be public or private is another thing though, and frankly, I don't think anyone with the skill to create these edits cares whether model editing will be available to all the 1-post people who are crying about this.

EDIT: Also, I warned you guys, enjoy your bans.

[mr. paul'bra]

it would be us sou wayne if you bann me or delety my (and xayo's) postings but we are really disapointed by what he just did, he betrayed the whole modelchanging community..
sure blizzard can nerv it.. don't you know its because of those websites that modelchanging was nerfed 1.12

[macintox]

lol sry it was not flaming it was just my opinion, i respect DK more than anyone, its his decision i know and blizzard can't do anything about model changing

[Cypher]

it would be us sou wayne if you bann me or delety my (and xayo's) postings but we are really disapointed by what he just did, he betrayed the whole modelchanging community..
sure blizzard can nerv it.. don't you know its because of those websites that modelchanging was nerfed 1.12

You're saying he's "betrayed the whole model changing community". What have you contributed to this community, because given by the way you think you can tell other people what to do you must think pretty highly of yourself.

[GtR[MoÐ]]

Hi.

This is the second time these files are being released to public, the first one being a pathetic attempt by 'insert all terms of attention whore you can think off' Fanatik-zor, that was hopefully taken down pretty shortly after.

Those advanced techniques were discovered and held secret / only available to the 'smartest' people by / for Nogg-Aholic community members, due to the obvious exploitable nature of these edits for about one year and a half.

Using these files in any kind of pvp / pve exploitation performance will get you banned pretty fast, and hopefully you will get banned.

@Chazwazza

Are you sure to know you are talking about?
Client files editing can be fixed, at least being disabled on live, and it's just a matter of time before Blizzard takes the final action to nerf it completely.
So don't proclaim your right when what you assume is just wrong.

@Demonkunga

Good job giving a kid a gun.
He will either kill himself, or everyone around.

What are you trying to proove?

Nice rip off really, you really reach the top scene now!

After reading your last PM, I really though you had turned into something smarter than some of the most immature person around I can think off.
That really was a pathetic attempt at getting credit.

+Rep lolz !

~

Enjoy while it lasts.

~

Waiting for my ban

[treyska]

while i dont agree with MoD's flame.. i agree with his message

with the release of this, blizzard will nerf MEing and MCing again.. we'll just have to find another way

[KuRIoS]

yeah and just like last time when all model editors went boohooo it is dead, someone will find a way around.
Just this time the noggaliers cant shut down their forum, anyways this is not and has never been noggaholics forum, this is for exploits hacks and bots.

and GTR not banning u as that is just ur opinion and a well described one

[Tinky]

Kewl Demon... +reppy

[Victor]

when did model editing get to that...did i miss something...man it was supposed to swap some models and now it makes you fly and stuff...weird...maybe next time you'll tell us you can edit your gold...and make it look like a monkey...well anyway....o.O

[Cypher]

Hi.

This is the second time these files are being released to public, the first one being a pathetic attempt by 'insert all terms of attention whore you can think off' Fanatik-zor, that was hopefully taken down pretty shortly after.

Those advanced techniques were discovered and held secret / only available to the 'smartest' people by / for Nogg-Aholic community members, due to the obvious exploitable nature of these edits for about one year and a half.

Using these files in any kind of pvp / pve exploitation performance will get you banned pretty fast, and hopefully you will get banned.

@Chazwazza

Are you sure to know you are talking about?
Client files editing can be fixed, at least being disabled on live, and it's just a matter of time before Blizzard takes the final action to nerf it completely.
So don't proclaim your right when what you assume is just wrong.

@Demonkunga

Good job giving a kid a gun.
He will either kill himself, or everyone around.

What are you trying to proove?

Nice rip off really, you really reach the top scene now!

After reading your last PM, I really though you had turned into something smarter than some of the most immature person around I can think off.
That really was a pathetic attempt at getting credit.

+Rep lolz !

~

Enjoy while it lasts.

~

Waiting for my ban

I'm damn sure I'm right. The protection from editing client side files has do be done client side, there's no way for this to be enforced properly with a server-side methodology. All you have to do is find the code used to "nerf" the hack in question (in this case it will be the code segment used to prevent the loading of custom DBCs etc), and patch it at runtime so that this protection is removed. Heck, they can't even fix teleportation, and that's something that requires the server to be in agreement with your updated location. The fact of the matter is, there will always be a way to hack games like WoW that rely on a client to access the game, there's just no way any program can enforce client-side protection with 100% success. If they could really enforce their protection don't you think they would've fixed things like teleportation, tele-to-plane, tracking, flying, etc. long ago? The user is in control of the computer that the protection is running on, which means that the user is in control of the protection, so as long as that's the case it will always be possible for the user to modify/disable the protection.

[treyska]

For the record. I don't believe that banning members that openly (and somewhat hostilely) disagree with DK's posts is just.

Obviously, with such controversial posts as these, there is bound to be some hostility going on, and much disagreeing. I'm actually quite glad that, to this point, we've been able to hold these debates with such little swearing and other inappropriate jabs.

If you begin to ban everyone that disagrees, everyone that insults, everyone that doesn't suck up to the elite members of the forum, you take the one aspect that MMOwned has that is unique from the rest of the WoW forums. MMOwned is a community in which people's opinions and beliefs are respected, and a community in which perfection is not enforced. If someone becomes upset about a thread that has been posted, and flames, why not forgive them? If it becomes a repeated problem, that's another issue. However, I've been seeing more and more recently (and am quite unnerved by) the banning of almost every member that flames a post. Have we abandoned verbal warnings? Have we abandoned warning points? This is sending MMOwned into a downward spiral towards just another Nogg, and just another EdgeOfNowhere.

I know, Chaz, that you did give a verbal warning. However, you had given this warning immediately after an initial scuffle had broken out, without allowing anyone else to post their opinion.. many of which were bound to be flames. I don't think that handing out bans to these people was right.

I personally believe that Matt and DK should not have posted these edits. I know they've been sitting on their computers for a long time, and they felt the need to release them to the public.. but I feel that it is going to damage one aspect of the game. But that's just my two cents.

-Treyska

[Cypher]

For the record. I don't believe that banning members that openly (and somewhat hostilely) disagree with DK's posts is just.

Obviously, with such controversial posts as these, there is bound to be some hostility going on, and much disagreeing. I'm actually quite glad that, to this point, we've been able to hold these debates with such little swearing and other inappropriate jabs.

If you begin to ban everyone that disagrees, everyone that insults, everyone that doesn't suck up to the elite members of the forum, you take the one aspect that MMOwned has that is unique from the rest of the WoW forums. MMOwned is a community in which people's opinions and beliefs are respected, and a community in which perfection is not enforced. If someone becomes upset about a thread that has been posted, and flames, why not forgive them? If it becomes a repeated problem, that's another issue. However, I've been seeing more and more recently (and am quite unnerved by) the banning of almost every member that flames a post. Have we abandoned verbal warnings? Have we abandoned warning points? This is sending MMOwned into a downward spiral towards just another Nogg, and just another EdgeOfNowhere.

I know, Chaz, that you did give a verbal warning. However, you had given this warning immediately after an initial scuffle had broken out, without allowing anyone else to post their opinion.. many of which were bound to be flames. I don't think that handing out bans to these people was right.

I personally believe that Matt and DK should not have posted these edits. I know they've been sitting on their computers for a long time, and they felt the need to release them to the public.. but I feel that it is going to damage one aspect of the game. But that's just my two cents.

-Treyska

http://www.mmowned.com/forums/site-n...f-respect.html

Discussion is welcome, flaming and trolling is not. I am not stopping the posting of opinion, I am stopping the flaming/trolling. People are welcome to disagree, but they should do it in a respectful manner, failure to do so will result in a ban.

[GtR[MoÐ]]

I'm damn sure I'm right. The protection from editing client side files has do be done client side, there's no way for this to be enforced properly with a server-side methodology. All you have to do is find the code used to "nerf" the hack in question (in this case it will be the code segment used to prevent the loading of custom DBCs etc), and patch it at runtime so that this protection is removed. Heck, they can't even fix teleportation, and that's something that requires the server to be in agreement with your updated location. The fact of the matter is, there will always be a way to hack games like WoW that rely on a client to access the game, there's just no way any program can enforce client-side protection with 100% success. If they could really enforce their protection don't you think they would've fixed things like teleportation, tele-to-plane, tracking, flying, etc. long ago? The user is in control of the computer that the protection is running on, which means that the user is in control of the protection, so as long as that's the case it will always be possible for the user to modify/disable the protection.

I disagree.

In the case of wow, they could simply get rid of most DBC client files.
With the appropriate structure (yes that would mean a lot of changes and hard work on their part, but if Blizzard really wants to put an end point to all this, they might do it) they could change the whole way Client <> Server acts, and what is held by each.

Most of the time, Blizzard's way of fixing issues is pretty slow, meaning they 'fix' what come to their attention, but it's sometimes brutal. (ref: Diablo II's Packet Editing & exploits history)

Eventhough I know it won't, I ask for removal.

[KuRIoS]

yes it wont be taken down because we dont take exploits down eventho they will get nerfed.
TREYSKA: there is a difference in flaming and posting ur opinion