[LOG] GUIDE: How To Convince ANYONE, and get $$$

[x Royal x]

Back in the day I made a thread teaching the Scamming community how to keep a chineseman busy. It actually turned out to be quite hilarious and fun to do. So, here I am again, a few months later. Instead, this is a bit more useful. The following log will teach you how to go from absolutely nothing but a trial account and a free (verified) paypal to $300+... Commentary is added, enjoy.

Requirements:
Two (2) Verified Paypals that you control (Or, you can use one if you don't want to launder the money and want to spend it instantly on cd-keys or gold)
One (1) trial account with seemingly legit info
TIME

Rewards:
$300+ to spend on whatever you want. I just buy CD-Keys or gold, you can do whatever.

Benefits of this over Chinese Scam:
Unlike the Chinese scam, you have almost unlimited time. There will be no chinese man ramming IMs up your ass. You'll have plenty of time to get everything done.
Plus, usually they don't recall the payment.

Note: To get a free verified paypal, go here: https://www.netspend.com/prepaid-deb...D=corporate&r=
(Thanks to marlboroman1982)
To learn how to launder paypal money between two accounts, go here: http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...pal-money.html (Thanks to iliwau)

Incoming wall of text, for you to get ANYTHING out of this guide and what I'm trying to teach, please read it all. It's for your own good!!!



------- (11:55:43 AM): Hey bud saw your Markee thread, I got a pretty well geared druid for sale and also a priest.
CcCubs13 (11:57:59 AM): do you have armory links to either one
------- (11:58:08 AM): Yes, druid: ilaziee69
------- (11:58:11 AM): oops, haha
------- (11:58:16 AM): The World of Warcraft Armory
------- (11:58:34 AM): and let me get the priests
------- (11:58:58 AM): The World of Warcraft Armory
(Always have armories prepared beforehand!)
CcCubs13 (12:03:16 PM): yea the druid is geared as can be priest isnt bad either...what makes you wanna get rid of the druid
------- (12:03:43 PM): I'm actually rerolling alliance to do Druid/DK with a rl friend.
(Make sure it's a reasonable excuse...)
CcCubs13 (12:04:06 PM): ha thats almost y im looking for a horde druid
------- (12:04:14 PM): Haha! Funny
CcCubs13 (12:04:34 PM): we are trying to do druid / ret and his pally was already on horde and geared
------- (12:05:02 PM): Druid/Ret is alright, not my fav, but if you're skilled you'll get up there.
CcCubs13 (12:05:51 PM): the druid and priest on the same account or no?
------- (12:06:15 PM): Seperate accounts, sadly.
CcCubs13 (12:06:23 PM): its ok I know the feeling
------- (12:06:27 PM): But they could be merged to one bnet account I spose
CcCubs13 (12:06:58 PM): nah its ok
(Always give the buyer options, it makes them feel comfortable)
-------(12:07:13 PM): Haha, alright, so
CcCubs13 (12:07:18 PM): I actually cant stand bnets
CcCubs13 (12:07:23 PM): are you the OO of the account
------- (12:07:38 PM): Yes I am
CcCubs13 (12:08:43 PM): what are you looking to try and get from the account
------- (12:09:03 PM): Just looking for offers atm, what's your offer? :P
(If you say $400 and he won't pay more than $200 for any account, you basically lost the guy. Always ask for their offer, never give yours)
CcCubs13 (12:09:39 PM): not even sure thats so far the best geared druid that I have looked at
------- (12:10:15 PM): Is 450 reasonable, or were you looking cheaper. I'd prob throw the priest in too... no reason to have him haha.
CcCubs13 (12:10:35 PM): hah
(See what happens when you throw yours in? I was lucky the account is actually worth $450)
CcCubs13 (12:14:17 PM): did you post on the md thread
------- (12:15:42 PM): Oh crap, no. Do you have the link perchance?
CcCubs13 (12:16:07 PM): sure sec
CcCubs13 (12:16:20 PM): WTB [H] Level 80...
------- (12:16:38 PM): andd....
------- (12:16:39 PM): posted
------- (12:24:21 PM): So..?
CcCubs13 (12:24:40 PM): sorry for some reason everyone wanted to talk to me all of a sudden...
------- (12:24:47 PM): Haha, oh np
CcCubs13 (12:24:52 PM): I def like the druid
CcCubs13 (12:25:10 PM): one sec...
------- (12:25:21 PM): sure
CcCubs13 (12:36:14 PM): ok back
------- (12:36:31 PM): Okay cool, so
CcCubs13 (12:37:08 PM): well like I said I like the druid great gear just trying to weigh the couple of offers I have to figure out which im going with
CcCubs13 (12:37:27 PM): I like the fact that your MD account has the pp and id verified
(Most of the time, I put the words "Post" or something like that as to be confused with another poster. It worked right here. Won't always work and I usually don't talk to people that ask me to post because they aren't idiots, hence harder to scammer)
CcCubs13 (12:38:36 PM): what other offers do you have on your druid
------- (12:39:25 PM): Actually, I haven't advertised really. Just saw your thread and thought, meh why not
CcCubs13 (12:39:33 PM): haha
------- (12:39:34 PM): talking to a few people, no offers
CcCubs13 (12:40:46 PM): does his resto gear look about the same
------- (12:41:00 PM): Jussst about. 2/5 t8, but more BiS
CcCubs13 (12:42:05 PM): I see
------- (12:42:33 PM): Indeed
CcCubs13 (12:51:15 PM): you said that the account is not a bnet account correct
------- (12:51:35 PM): correct
CcCubs13 went idle at 1:07:42 PM.
CcCubs13 returned at 1:12:08 PM.
CcCubs13 (1:12:35 PM): well when you get the other offers on the account let me know where they stand and ill see what we can do
------- (1:13:26 PM): I have one at 300, one at 250. haha. So I guess anything around there
CcCubs13 (1:14:15 PM): well I will beat either of those for the druid since your feedback is all good and you do have the pp and tw verified
(lalala )
CcCubs13 (1:15:02 PM): as long as you have all the info for the account and it is not a bnet account which you have already said are true
------- (1:15:23 PM): All are true, give me a moment to collect all the info
CcCubs13 (1:15:29 PM): ok
------- (1:19:30 PM): Okay so basically, you pay the money to my paypal. I'll confirm it's there. I'll give you full name + email change + scanned ID. You open up a claim on paypal, then cancel it. This makes it so you can't recall, for safety measures. Once that is done, I will give you the account password. When your money is cleared in 3-4 days, I'll give you the SQA
(You can obtain a scanned ID basically anywhere on the internet, make sure when making your trial account you use information that cooresponds with what's on the ID. For more info go here: http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-sc...ever-need.html
CcCubs13 (1:24:54 PM): sounds about right
------- (1:25:14 PM): Alrighty, tell me when you're ready
CcCubs13 (1:25:28 PM): 2 questions first....
------- (1:25:34 PM): sure
CcCubs13 (1:25:48 PM): one what am I giving you for the account :P
------- (1:25:59 PM): Oh shit huh. Hahaha, well.
------- (1:26:02 PM): What's your offer :P
CcCubs13 (1:26:25 PM): was the 300 offer for just the druid or both
------- (1:26:47 PM): Just the druid.
CcCubs13 (1:28:06 PM): hrm ok
CcCubs13 (1:28:18 PM): pp fees still 3% been a while since I used it?
------- (1:28:26 PM): Yes that's still there
CcCubs13 (1:30:31 PM): ok and I forgot to ask is the druid xferable?
------- (1:30:47 PM): Everything is up, name change, sex change haha
CcCubs13 (1:31:12 PM): ok
------- (1:31:42 PM): Alright
CcCubs13 (1:32:39 PM): the fees im paying correct
------- (1:32:44 PM): Please
CcCubs13 (1:33:57 PM): ....I still have money in my paypal...wish I would have known that
------- (1:34:09 PM): Lol, what did you do?
------- (1:34:16 PM): Add money via bank or something?
CcCubs13 (1:34:56 PM): no I used paypal alot for buying and selling on ebay but havent done it in a while I thought I took all my money to my bank account but guess there was some left in there
------- (1:35:57 PM): haha ooo
CcCubs13 (1:36:56 PM): ok so you selling your duid now or waiting for more offers
------- (1:37:14 PM): I'm down to sell now
CcCubs13 (1:37:34 PM): ok how about 340 and ill pick up all the pp fee
------- (1:37:38 PM): deal
(In this conversation, I allowed him to take more control. It makes the buyer more comfortable and more likely to give you their money)
CcCubs13 (1:37:56 PM): are the names on both accounts the same
------- (1:38:08 PM): Yes, literally everything the same but account name
CcCubs13 (1:38:35 PM): ok then ill prolly just xfer the priest to the druid account and close one
------- (1:38:50 PM): gotcha
CcCubs13 (1:39:18 PM): the priest is nice im mainly after the druid so if you want to keep it and try to sell him another way ill understand
CcCubs13 (1:39:52 PM): one sec doorbell
CcCubs13 (1:40:39 PM): back
------- (1:41:22 PM): Sure alright
CcCubs13 (1:41:39 PM): does the guild you are in know you are selling the account
------- (1:41:55 PM): Yes, and they even said it's okay if you wanted to stay
CcCubs13 (1:42:06 PM): ok
CcCubs13 (1:42:24 PM): well I can talk to them more when I get on just wanted to make sure no one was being decieved
------- (1:42:42 PM): Yeah, everyone knows
CcCubs13 (1:42:48 PM):
------- (1:43:47 PM): Alright well I'm ready when you are.
CcCubs13 (1:43:54 PM): same here
------- (1:44:44 PM): [email protected] is my paypal account
(This is where you put your Verified Paypal)
CcCubs13 (1:48:18 PM): quick question...how come that doesnt match the info on md
(Uhh oh... how to escape...)
------- (1:49:06 PM): Not meaning to weird you out, that's my boyfriend's account.
CcCubs13 (1:49:38 PM): is your paypal account verified as well?
------- (1:49:42 PM): Yes
CcCubs13 (1:49:45 PM): and it doesnt bother me
------- (1:49:55 PM): Glad to hear
CcCubs13 (1:50:27 PM): I just want to make sure that this is all legit....Ive been scammed out of crap before and just trying to make sure it doesnt happen again
------- (1:50:40 PM): Totally understand
(People at this point either think you're gay or a girl, which, no offense, makes them feel in total control and they have thoughts that you for sure won't scam them.)
CcCubs13 (1:52:42 PM): im guessing thats who you are starting the druid/dk with
------- (1:54:06 PM): Good guesser
CcCubs13 (1:54:43 PM): ok you should have the money
------- (1:54:54 PM): let me check one sec.
(At this point you can do two things, say it's under review OR say yes you have it. If you told them yes you have it, then send the ID + email + name. Then, have them open and close a claim. Probably the easier way. If you want to say it's under review then.....)
------- (1:56:25 PM): Mkay, I got it. It's under review atm.
------- (1:56:36 PM): Probably because you added in for the WoW account
------- (1:56:46 PM): give it 15 minutes, when it passes I'll give you the info.
(No, it's not. You say it is and give a logical reason why it would be, as seen here.)
CcCubs13 (1:58:40 PM): ok
CcCubs13 (1:59:08 PM): so whose playing what character and im guess you guys are shooting for high pvp bracket
------- (1:59:28 PM): I'll be Druid, he'll be DK. And yeah, aiming for glad
CcCubs13 (1:59:57 PM): he have a dk over there or are you both starting fresh
------- (2:00:10 PM): He'll be trading his hunter for a DK
------- (2:00:16 PM): or selling, then buying
CcCubs13 (2:00:26 PM): you doing the same?
------- (2:01:12 PM): Yes
(Bunch of filler talk here while I launder the money...)
CcCubs13 (2:01:40 PM): makes more sense then starting a druid I guess
------- (2:01:59 PM): Yeah, haha plus it'd be already geared
CcCubs13 (2:02:07 PM): true
CcCubs13 (2:02:40 PM): are you going to be pvp healing or feral
------- (2:02:50 PM): PvP healing
CcCubs13 (2:03:18 PM): O I never asked that...does your druid have any feral gear or did you stay away from that spec
------- (2:05:38 PM): He has some, but minimal, like 5/5 t7 that's about it
CcCubs13 (2:06:04 PM): pretty sure the moonkin gear out weighs it
------- (2:06:15 PM): definitely does
CcCubs13 (2:08:47 PM): did you focus more on pve or pvp on the druid
------- (2:09:06 PM): PvE for the most part
CcCubs13 (2:09:16 PM): what nights are you guys raiding
------- (2:10:20 PM): Agh, it's all sketchy right now. We're trying to do hard mode. So literally, whenever we can make a raid group
CcCubs13 (2:10:52 PM): is it still under review
------- (2:11:31 PM): Yeah >.<
CcCubs13 (2:11:49 PM): hmm I think I know what I did wrong let me look into something really quick
------- (2:12:03 PM): Sure np
CcCubs13 (2:13:02 PM): I had it sent and didnt check the box to have it sent from my debit card I think its trying to send it from my bank account can you cancel it on your end and ill do it a diff way or since its still under review do you need me to
------- (2:14:00 PM): Let me see what I should do haha one sec
CcCubs13 (2:14:19 PM): ok if you can cancel it ill resend from debit card so it should be instant
-------(2:14:35 PM): alright let me check
CcCubs13 (2:15:10 PM): sorry its been a while since I used paypal
------- (2:15:17 PM): It's np
------- (2:15:54 PM): Yeah, I can't cancel it O_o
------- (2:18:39 PM): you can call paypal if you want
CcCubs13 (2:18:48 PM): glad one of us knows what we are doing
CcCubs13 (2:20:18 PM): calling pp
------- (2:20:48 PM): haha alrighty.
CcCubs13 (2:25:14 PM): this hold music sucks
------- (2:25:24 PM): I hate calling paypal lol
CcCubs13 (2:26:20 PM): hey while we are waiting do you have time to log into the game so I can see the druid
------- (2:27:32 PM): Let me see, I was just about to tell you I was going to step out
CcCubs13 (2:27:47 PM): hold up one sec
------- (2:29:02 PM): Yeah, atm the account is frozen, but before we trade I'll be adding a gamecard for you.
------- (2:29:06 PM): I'll brb for 30 min
(I said it would take 15 minutes, it's been 30. I just said I'd be gone for 30 more. He has completely forgotten and isn't worried about his money at all, success!)
CcCubs13 (2:29:12 PM): ok
CcCubs13 (2:34:00 PM): just message me when you get back I got off the phone will paypal and have the information of whats going on
CcCubs13 went idle at 2:55:27 PM.
CcCubs13 returned at 3:00:25 PM.
CcCubs13 (3:08:56 PM): you back yet
CcCubs13 went idle at 3:28:15 PM.
CcCubs13 returned at 3:29:51 PM.
CcCubs13 (3:34:10 PM): If I don't answer it is because I'm not at my comp I'm periodically checking aim from my phone but would like to hear back from you tonight

It's currently 6:55 and he and I are back to talking, he hasn't once brought up me scamming him, or where his money is. Complete trust at this point.
Money's laundered, and all is good. Good luck guys and have fun!

[polarmike76]

If I do scam the money and launder it to my real paypal as indicated, whats the chances of a debt collector/cops comin to my front door? lol

other than that the scam sounds pretty sound +rep

[x Royal x]

Really low. Especially if you use two different IPs.
I used to be sloppy last summer and didn't even proxy when doing the chineseman scam.
Never got a single phone call or mail.

So, you're safe. Just proxy.
hidemyass.com

[polarmike76]

honestly wouldn't it all lead back to your real paypal account if you kept scamming over and over, like lets say you scammed over 4000$ in a week, which is completely possible... that's odd

[x Royal x]

Then don't do $4000 a week
I usually do $500 every other weekend or so. Sometimes less.
Sometimes I don't even launder I just buy a bunch of cd keys and resell.
All depends.

[jasejunk]

You forgot to hide your aim name the 4th line above the bottom red text.

[ßetray]

This sounds fairly well thought out. With a bit of practice, it would make for an interesting semi-weekly scam + Rep

[x Royal x]

This is def a weekday scam. By far I love doing the bnet scam on the weekends. And thanks Jase for catching that O_o

[jasejunk]

Np, my brotha