[How To] How to talk people into scams :)

[iterrorist]

How To Talk People into Scams

This is NOT going to tell you how to get people to hand over their accounts with the snap of fingers. It is a process. One we all know very well. It is called Language, Communication..

People think they are great communicators. That is untrue. The ability to speak does not mean you are good at it. I can swim but I can't be in the Olympics.

When we talk we convey information and we try to persuade others to see our point of view.

What a lot of people often **** up on doing is the most important part. It is the thing we do all the time and do great, but not when we NEED to do it. It is called Rapport.

When you see people who copy or mirror eachother, couples, business men, family members and friends, they are in Rapport with eachother. It means to be in-sync with someone. When you match their posture, gestures, facial expressions there talking pace, the language patterns and vocabulary it is called being in Rapport.

When scamming people, you obviously can't observe their body language. But you can observe their language patterns, vocab, rate of talking even the use of emoticons has an effect. It helps repressent tone and mood.

Being able to understand how someone is feeling through their speech will help you form Rapport. Being able to tell when they are feeling hostile or being defensive you will know whether or not to change what you are saying or how you say it. Use your brain, out smart them.

I have used these tricks to win arguments, to get my girlfriend to see my point of view.

For example-

 
Victim: Who is this
YOU : I added you from [wherever], I saw you advert for your account being on [sale/trade]
Victim: Ah yeah, what have you got?
YOU: [details here]
Victim: Hmmm I duno can you show ingame?
YOU: Yes I can show ingame, would you like to see?
Victim: Ok but how much/What are you looking to get for the account?
YOU: What is your offer, I'm sure we can find something we are both happy with=]
Victim: Hmm , can I see ingame now !?
YOU: Sure  
Victim: Hmmm, it is good, but have you any alts??
YOU: I have [details]
Victim: Ok I will make the transaction....
YOU: I was looking for around [insert ammount of money here]
VICTIM: Hmm I will pay only [substantially less]
YOU: Oh...well I don't know, I put a lot into this...can I think about it and I can get back to you?
VICTIM: Nah I want to buy/sell/trade now, I can just find someone else...

In that convo you would have basically worked him over. Matching the words per sentence, the pace he spoke at.

Really you just were matching the short word usage,
even vocabulary, letting him feel incontrol even though you
perfectly steered that entire conversation.
Matching him in that way lets him feel comfortable with
even just talking to you, let alone a transaction.

At the end when you ask him to let you think about it, you are taking away an opertunity you made him believe he wanted, and so he decides to try rush you. Just what you want as a scammer!


[quote]YOU: What is your offer, I'm sure we can find something we are both happy with=][/QUOTE]

You have presupposed that it is a deal here because look later there is no actual mention of it being a deal, it has been assumed. Then you are free to use double binds and
complex equivelence
((A complex equivalence is a statement where you connect two things in such a way as to imply that if the first thing is true then the other must be true as well. 'first statement .. means .. second statement' ))


That is all for the moment!

Any Questions PM me

I will add to this if I think of any more information

-iTerrorist


Double Binds

This next technique I want to talk to you about is one you and your parents are all too familiar with at this stage, I guarentee. Being able to integrate it into something like this can be trickier especially to make it sound convincing.

A Double Bind is a speech pattern used to give the illusion of choice, it also further enchances the feeling of control. It only really works though after you have established rapport and the person is open to your suggestion and influence.

Double Bind Example:
[This assumes that you are in Rapport with the VICTIM and he has not yet said that you have a deal, he has just seen your account and asked you what you are looking for]

YOU: So do you want to trade/sell/buy now or later?
VICTIM: Em now/later
YOU: Ah very well then

In that you have just given that person the thoughts and feeling they have made the decision to sell now or later, when really before you asked they hadn't decided to sell or trade at all...Like I said it is difficult to implement properly but it does work.

Just remember this, like in martial arts my Sensei told me that you should never go straight to trap or apply a lock on an arm, this is called a cold lock. You need to redirect their attention away from your lock with something like a punch or even a slap.

Just like this you need to be able soften them up (rapport) before you hit them with influence.

Give it a try. It works with anything that requires someone else to make a decision in your favor. America's Government does it with elections all the time ;D
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Pacing and Leading!

When it comes to scamming building rapport is very important. As we said earlier Rapport is when you match the other person. This is called pacing. Then you need to lead... which is where we pick up on now.

You see once you have "paced" the other person you need to make them see you are on their side and you do this with leading.

Suppose you are chatting about the transaction and then when you feel you are in rapport, you should start to use emoticons in every sentence, and see if he starts to use them too.

You have successfully paced him, and you can now apply some pressure in a sense. You can close the deal. You need to use other language patterns though to get what you want.

There are three main tools or techniques the mind uses to help process information.... Deletion, Distortion and Generalizations... we can use these add these to our repitoir of tools Knowing when people use these little mind tricks lets you know how to play them...you understand? Have a look below

Deletion !

This is actually a great little device it falls under several different methods:

You have Nomilizations:

Basically if you have a noun you can't put in a wheel barrow then you have a nomilization! Such as Love as opposed to a potted plant.

Use of one is like this:

"We had an understanding"

Define understanding? Can you put one in a wheel barrow..you could try but epix phail lol...


Generalizations:

Universal Quantifier:

Words like "always" and "never" and "everyone" are words we use which actually limit your choice.

"Everyone else always scams me"

This basically tells you that this guy is on the defensive and he has just limited his choice to you... roll with it guys.

[Mirror]

I can't be bothered to read this so...

Thanks for the contribution anyway!

[iterrorist]

Thank you, that was so kind to say

[Exp]

youbesmartmon

[Trauts]

Good job with the article, but I'm kinda confused with the examples. In the example conversation you gave, the victim leaves after you do everything he asks. I don't see how this is manipulating him at all, since he got to see what he wanted to see and you got nothing. Are you setting him up to talk to you again, after he finds that there arent many other accounts like his out there? If so, thats a unique idea, never really thought about letting them seem disparate after the first conversation by talking to you again. Some more explanation would be nice, the examples kinda threw me off.

[iterrorist]

No no the conversation continues then after that but at that stage you have gotten what you want from him and you have made him feel incontrol.

[Krunkage]

I thought this was pretty sweet, more coming soon? +rep as it aint copied and pasted.

[Tompilot]

This was a nice thread! Keep it up m8! +rep

[iterrorist]

Double Binds

This next technique I want to talk to you about is one you and your parents are all too familiar with at this stage, I guarentee. Being able to integrate it into something like this can be trickier especially to make it sound convincing.

A Double Bind is a speech pattern used to give the illusion of choice, it also further enchances the feeling of control. It only really works though after you have established rapport and the person is open to your suggestion and influence.

Double Bind Example:
[This assumes that you are in Rapport with the VICTIM and he has not yet said that you have a deal, he has just seen your account and asked you what you are looking for]

YOU: So do you want to trade/sell/buy now or later?
VICTIM: Em now/later
YOU: Ah very well then

In that you have just given that person the thoughts and feeling they have made the decision to sell now or later, when really before you asked they hadn't decided to sell or trade at all...Like I said it is difficult to implement properly but it does work.

Just remember this, like in martial arts my Sensei told me that you should never go straight to trap or apply a lock on an arm, this is called a cold lock. You need to redirect their attention away from your lock with something like a punch or even a slap.

Just like this you need to be able soften them up (rapport) before you hit them with influence.

Give it a try. It works with anything that requires someone else to make a decision in your favor. America's Government does it with elections all the time ;D

[Exp]

keep it coming. +Rep

[Nymphx]

I find the best way to scam is to speak in correct grammar. If they talk in leet, or "Noob" language I don't tend to use it because we all know that it's how unpropessionals talk. Hell, even the people that talk like it know that!

Your guide has influenced me to use rapport when conversing and it works well on two levels. They think they are under control because you are following their speech pattern, but really they don't know the harsh truth that this is all just part of the elaborate plot to steal their account/monies

[iterrorist]

Yes now you are catching on But if they speak in leet speak the shorten your speech to match their level, it makes them feel less intimidated. people associate states of mind with memories, so maybe speaking to correct and polite may remind them of a teacher they did not like at school, or an aunt or uncle they don't like and you will become guilty by association...but matching them, well everyone loves or feels comfortable with themself to some degree of trust

[thakillers]

thats a nice guide, gg

[Nymphx]

Yes now you are catching on But if they speak in leet speak the shorten your speech to match their level, it makes them feel less intimidated. people associate states of mind with memories, so maybe speaking to correct and polite may remind them of a teacher they did not like at school, or an aunt or uncle they don't like and you will become guilty by association...but matching them, well everyone loves or feels comfortable with themself to some degree of trust

Yes I know what you mean. Knowledge is power eh? I know that some people can find overuse of correct grammar almost 'cheesy' and almost like it's macroed or simulated. I agree matching their sentence structures and their extensive (Or not so) vocabulary is a must, and it will also highly help by knowing their age/location so you can say things that relate the them.


A sense of humor can help too

[iterrorist]

well the thing is this has been used in business and counceling for years even magic and other shows, acting, i am just bringing what i know to you. When you are matching them you let them feel on the same level as you, but in control at the same time I will be back to write about Pacing and Leading. It is a trick used to suggest to them to give you the account for trade so you can scam the panties off them

iTerrorist