[Loreh] Why Lich King is stronger than Kil'jaeden

[l8flip]

I didn't say that? No, I didn't! Archimonde IS defeatable in Hyjal Summit, and he was getting underpowered when Kil'jaeden uhm did something xD

Ok, lets take it this way...

Archimonde = 5
Kil'jaden (half summoned in Sunwell) = 7
Kil'jaden (all summoned) = 14
Arthas = 10
Ner'zhul = 10
Arthas + Ner'zhul = 20, Lich King

Hmm, understand now? o.O

Yes, I understand you graduated from kindergarten.
So you are saying Arthas + Nerzhul = 20.
Meaning they would be 10 each? How do you know this, how can you tell
Arthas and Ner'zhul were equally powerful before they merged?
And his do you know Archimonde was only half as powerful as Arthas as a knight of the silver hand? In his human form Arthas was merely a mortal, not an immortal like Archimonde.
And how do you know Kil'jaeden would be 14 on your scale? Intuition?
Yet again, it's only what you think. Not fact.

Edit:
I did infact read alot on wowwiki, good site, although full of flaws because anyone can edit it.
When I say you dont have sources, you reply with a "Your IQ must be below 50, watch blizzard interviews". I will gladly watch interviews that supports your argument,
just give me a link

[Shinyshoes]

Arthas you may be correct in saying that the LK may be more powerful than Kil'jaden, but the way you present it is very...unprofessional. First of all you leave out a huge amount of prior evidence. You do know why Arthas became powerful correct? Arthas was a novice paladin, although his power was admirable it wasn't that of equal to Archimonde. Second, when Arthas becomes a death knight he is stripped from his holy power, but given a new set of powers. But, these powers are directly linked to the Runeblade, Frostmourne. Frostmourne is directly linked to the Lich King, remember in Warcraft 3, when illidan cracks the frozen throne slightly(w/the eye of guldan)(and also, the runeblade is part of the LK..)? The lich king starts to die and so does Arthas! The lich king and Arthas share the same power. Chris Metzen the creator/writer of most lore for Blizzard said that the Lich King gained Arthas' personality, and body. The lich king supplied the power, malice, and evil. So your equation was unecessary. Truth is don't post this unless you have a official statement to share. Blizzard to this day have not included more of the Lich king in official lore.

Now I could write much more. But I'm going to avoid that.

Please do not state you know 80% of the lore of wow when you really don't. Reading wowwiki doesn't account for much. I personally have read 5 warcraft novels, and several other Lore based guides/books. I don't even consider myself a lore master or "nerd*" I don't like to flame, but I have to say something.

Next time just include more links to facts, and work just a bit harder on it. A good statement will close a case outright. Which yours did not, it did not "PWN" those people at all. It just left them wondering/confused/ or angry.


Edit:

You also consider WowWiki a better source of info than the actual warcraft 3 and 2 games. WoWWiki, similar to Wikipedia, can be modified by members - it is not necessarily the BEST source of lore. Direct quote -The free Warcraft Universe info source anyone can edit

Oh heres the quote from Chris Metzen:
When asked, "What's the truth about the new Lich King?", Chris Metzen replied: "Arthas and Ner'zhul have become a perfect fusion of one being - Arthas' personality and body with Ner'zhul's wisdom, experience, power and EVIL."

[irbakey]

Ok, yeah, I'm new, all I do is read this stuff and so on and I KNOW this is an old thread so don't flame just because "omg ur a noob this is old" shit, but this signifies he's lying anyway...

Ignore it if you want, delete it if you want, but I have a right to say anything I damn well feel like.

Tired of that also...

Q: It's said that Kil'jaeden is the creator of Lich King... Why was Kil'jaeden added into the game before Lich King?
A: We wanted to add a cool event BEFORE WoTLK, so we made a event allready when we added Kael'Thas. When he was "killed", he did escape to Azeroth, and his remains was going to Shattrath to tell the people he was about to return with a new master, Kil'jaeden... Now, he has. And also, Kil'jaeden is only 50% summoned here, he will return in further expansions.

Taken from a interview with some guy from Blizzard...

If it's taken from an interview with "some guy" from Blizzard, he spells like a dumbass and his grammar is horrible, but he also would NOT give any information on anything. It's concidered a "tip" that they tell you to call a phone number and pay a certain amount of money per minute.

I can't even ask why a vial tells me to fill at a waterfall, and it wont let me. They tell me it's concidered a "tip". So before you attempt post information and claim it's from "some guy" at Blizzard, make it a little more believable, because that just told me you're a complete liar.

[tauer]

This post if full of flaws and assumptions.
You know nothing of lore.
This post honestly sucks.

* Nerzhul was a shaman, not a warlock
* If he was a warlock, Gul'dan was more powerful.
* Please show me a link where Blizzard states he was as powerful as Archimonde
* Archimonde is not Kil'jaedens brother
* Your post is full of "so he became.." "so he is more powerful.." but there's no sources, so they're only YOUR assumptions.
* You say "Bla bla he was the most powerful mortal warlock bla bla" so what if he was the most powerful mortal, theres tons of immortals that are more powerful.
And for that matter I dont think he was mortal. (by the sense of dying of old age)

You just said everything I was going to say!! Damn. Yeah Arthas117, if you know 80% of Warcraft lore, how come you overlooked all of these things? And no! No, no, no, NO! Ner'zhul was powerful yes, but nowhere NEAR as powerful as Archimonde. If you've read Rise Of The Horde, you should know that Archimonde was (with Kil'jaeden) one of the most powerful beings in the universe. Just because YOU think that Arthas and Ner'zhul merged are more powerful than Kil'Jaeden doesn't make it so. Nobody actually knows how powerful they are, we can only guess. If that's your guess, then fine. But don't come here saying that you're right, just because you think so.

You also consider WowWiki a better source of info than the actual warcraft 3 and 2 games. WoWWiki, similar to Wikipedia, can be modified by members - it is not necessarily the BEST source of lore. Direct quote -The free Warcraft Universe info source anyone can edit.

Exactly. I like to read on WoWWiki too, and mostly I find the information there reliable, but you can't always trust that. I've had to edit some one of the pages myself, because the information just wasn't correct.

I didn't say that? No, I didn't! Archimonde IS defeatable in Hyjal Summit, and he was getting underpowered when Kil'jaeden uhm did something xD

Ok, lets take it this way...

Archimonde = 5
Kil'jaden (half summoned in Sunwell) = 7
Kil'jaden (all summoned) = 14
Arthas = 10
Ner'zhul = 10
Arthas + Ner'zhul = 20, Lich King

Hmm, understand now? o.O

So basically, you're saying that Archimonde is only half as powerful as Arthas, in his HUMAN form???
Wow, you're dumber than I thought. If it were like that, he would've just slain Archimonde right away, and not need to trick Illidan into consuming the skull og Gul'Dan and stuff like that.
And if you think Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are brothers just because Jaina said so in Tales Of The Past III (A fan made movie) I can tell you, you're wrong. Read Rise Of The Horde, and you'll get the history of Velen, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden.

[Joop312]

Archimonde is way, WAY stronger than Arthas in his human and/or Deathknight form. I mean, come on, he is the field commander of the Burning Legion, he was the commander in the War of the Ancients, where he even killed Malorne (father of Cenarius). D'you think a Paladin or even Deathknight for that matter, can kill him, even though it was Arthas? And Archimonde was one of the three Eredar (before corruption) leaders (others being Kil'jaeden and Velen, as already said above) which isn't a very easy rank to obtain, since the Eredar are a brilliant race.
Tauer is right, Tales of the Past is uncorrect at some points of lore, since Archimonde, Velen and Kil'jaeden were good friends. Kil'Jaeden did look up to Velen as his brother, but appart from that fact, they have nothing else in common.
All this information can be found on Wowwiki and in the novels "Rise of the Horde" and "The War of the Ancients Trilogy".

[Rohi]

Ok, lets say you know 80% of warcraft's story, but you will never know what blizzard WILL do...

[Arthas117]

Archimonde is way, WAY stronger than Arthas in his human and/or Deathknight form. I mean, come on, he is the field commander of the Burning Legion, he was the commander in the War of the Ancients, where he even killed Malorne (father of Cenarius). D'you think a Paladin or even Deathknight for that matter, can kill him, even though it was Arthas? And Archimonde was one of the three Eredar (before corruption) leaders (others being Kil'jaeden and Velen, as already said above) which isn't a very easy rank to obtain, since the Eredar are a brilliant race.
Tauer is right, Tales of the Past is uncorrect at some points of lore, since Archimonde, Velen and Kil'jaeden were good friends. Kil'Jaeden did look up to Velen as his brother, but appart from that fact, they have nothing else in common.
All this information can be found on Wowwiki and in the novels "Rise of the Horde" and "The War of the Ancients Trilogy".

lol I was only thinking about the Archimonde in-game... And in Hyjal he's like... A normal lvl 70 boss... Even Illidan's stronger, and Illidan is 50% of Lich King's power...

Okay, lets say you know 80% of the lore, but you know 0% of what Blizzard will do

Lol I atleast know that Blizzard will
*Add Wrath of The Lich King
*Add Sunwell in 2.4
*Make people able to go to Icecrown
*High up level cap to 80
*And much more

I know nothing about what blizzard will do? Think with your brain, not with your damn azz :@

[l8flip]

Please take the time to comment on Shinyshoes post in this topic Arthas117, would like to see your respone to what he had to say.

I noticed you claim "Illidan is 50% of Lich King's power.." where did you get this information? And you also say "lol I was only thinking about the Archimonde in-game" which seems very confusing to me, because when you speak about the lich king you seem to think of him from a lore-perspective, it is very unwise to mix them together because in warcraft lore there was no level-factor to interfere. (For example, given that you can defeat Archimonde at 70 and the Lich King at 80, the Lich King seems stronger).

Edit:
And because I am an adult I understand that what he meant was that you know nothing of what blizzard will do that's against the lore.
You however didnt seem to take that hint.

[I Hypnotoad I]

Well, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are NOT draen.
They are indeed Eredar (To my understanding). :P

[TheZaronz]

Yeah they are Eredar, and as i know... well i heard this somewhere: That Kil'jaeden Created The Lich King but the lich king's power grown so strong
that Kil'jaeden was too afraid to die agaisnt him that he sent Illidan to stop him but ended up as an [Epic Failure] well that's all i heard..

btw i did really like Shinyshoes story xD

[tauer]

lol I was only thinking about the Archimonde in-game... And in Hyjal he's like... A normal lvl 70 boss... Even Illidan's stronger, and Illidan is 50% of Lich King's power...

Wow, if you look at all this from in-game perspective, you really ARE dumber than I thought. Maybe YOU should try to think with your brain, not your azz.
And the fact that Illidan is stronger than Archimonde in-game proves exactly what you've been trying to argue against; that Blizzard DOESN'T stick to the Lore. Lol, how the hell do you know that Illidan is 50% of the Lich King's power? He might as well be 5%, or he could be 70%. No one knows.

Lol I atleast know that Blizzard will
*Add Wrath of The Lich King
*Add Sunwell in 2.4
*Make people able to go to Icecrown
*High up level cap to 80
*And much more

Wow, you know what Blizzard has confirmed, i'm impressed. What Rohi meant (I think) was that you don't know what Blizzard will do about all the things we've just been discussing. Geez.

Yeah they are Eredar, and as i know... well i heard this somewhere: That Kil'jaeden Created The Lich King but the lich king's power grown so strong
that Kil'jaeden was too afraid to die agaisnt him that he sent Illidan to stop him but ended up as an [Epic Failure] well that's all i heard..

btw i did really like Shinyshoes story xD

I'm pretty sure the reason Kil'jaeden sent Illidan to destroy The Frozen Throne, was because he couldn't enter Azeroth. At least not completely. We never hear that he's afraid of dying. I don't even think that's possible. Lol, he's so badass. Love him, he's one of my favorites.

Well, Archimonde and Kil'jaeden are NOT draen.
They are indeed Eredar (To my understanding). :P

Well, yes. They ARE Draenei. Or more correctly Velen is Eredar. All Draenei are. They've just changed their names to Draenei, because it means Exiled Ones in their language, because they where exiled, or more correctly driven from their homeland by the Man'ari Eredar. (Means Twisted Eredar)

[Arthas117]

Okay, as you guys wish, no more flaming from me *Topic Deleted*