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Sephiroth
You received infractions for trolling a thread, with absolutely no information. You make blanket statements, and assume you are correct since YOU have not been unbanned... Troll the service again, and you will receive additional infractions.
It is one thing to speak about your personal experience, but you are strictly harassing me, and my service, as if you have any information on what does and does not happen...
Seems a bit like you're abusing your power to protect interests.
Comments about your service can come from both ends of the spectrum, especially to someone who's debating whether to use a payed service or not, granted he might have been too extreme in stating it surely doesn't work, but infracting him instead of retorting is pretty much using your mod power for personal business benefit.
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I personally used Sephiroth in the past and he tried his best to remove my ban but it was in vain.I tried like an idiot to unban myself so, after that my chances were reduced drastically because the case was reviewed a couple of times already.Good luck with the unbanning.
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Originally Posted by
DarkXma
Seems a bit like you're abusing your power to protect interests.
Comments about your service can come from both ends of the spectrum, especially to someone who's debating whether to use a payed service or not, granted he might have been too extreme in stating it surely doesn't work, but infracting him instead of retorting is pretty much using your mod power for personal business benefit.
You've got to realize who you're dealing with though.. kids that run websites.. not serious business people that understand the foundations of things like integrity..
Criticism is seen as negative.. hostile & harmful.. so people are dealt with similar to saaayyy.. an enemy combatant..
I've got to not only stymie your claims.. but make such a big show of it no one else dares oppose me..
If that doesn't work.. I have the power to end our conversation in terms of this current view as people see it.. so I can say something snide & close the thread.. or really flex & delete it altogether..
If you persist.. 3 clicks of a mouse & I really look like a badass since now your account has a line through it.. I showed you.. /flex
The worst part is people with opinions like these aren't looked favorably upon on any forum.. a meaningful discussion about anything that paints someone in a negative light can't be any good for anyone.. noooo..
That whole something about "what makes a person truly powerful is knowing when to use it" mumbo jumbo doesn't apply here.. it's the internet..
A shame I agree.. A reality I assert..
In any case.. just for the sake of saying I think unban services are great.. very helpful for people who either don't care.. aren't able or willing.. or whatever their reasons may be.. it's also very clearly stated these are only attempts & nothing is guaranteed or even prospectively offered..
Read & discuss while you can.. I suspect this won't last long..
Which is a bummer for another reason.. the whole point of a forum.. the very definition of the word is a place for open discussion & the exchange of ideas.. once the censorship starts that's a hard card to put back in the deck..
/salute
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Originally Posted by
Sklug
You are less likely to find leniency in the time after a banwave. They employees are swamped with unban requests and likely start work each day with a mandate to just blanket deny everyone out of efficiency's sake. Move on, play a new game, or start a new account (they are on sale), and maybe in 3-4 months you can try... you might find more luck. It's tough though for botting bans.
This is information should be highlighted on every forum like OC for those still not be aware of it. I know it's a matter of common sense but it seems that not everyone have it.
Originally Posted by
Sephiroth
You received infractions for trolling a thread, with absolutely no information. You make blanket statements, and assume you are correct since YOU have not been unbanned... Troll the service again, and you will receive additional infractions.
It is one thing to speak about your personal experience, but you are strictly harassing me, and my service, as if you have any information on what does and does not happen...
I know your services for years now and I have always respected your work even though I have never been one of your customers. But these things hurt both the reputation of those who put in place such act and the forum itself. Probably it could have been better ways to handle the situation but everyone acts according to his conscience and his line of thought. But what left me bitter and leaves me wondering was that I received a private message on the honorbuddy forum just the day after posting my ban on it.

I don't want to doubt the service you offer. I know how much success you have always had with such practices. But what makes me lose trust is that I felt as if someone wanted to take advantage of my ban. These are not offenses, assaults or harassments. This is how I felt reading that private message with the knowledge that no one, not even a god could give me back my account now. Because we are the newcomers who do not know anything about a suspension or a ban. Because we know well how these things work.
I say this because I consider this forum a place where people like me come together to share, help and work together for a common purpose. Receive something in return for your aid is fair, take advantage of situations like this goes against the spirit of this forum in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by
Dream Eater
This is information should be highlighted on every forum like OC for those still not be aware of it. I know it's a matter of common sense but it seems that not everyone have it.
I know your services for years now and I have always respected your work even though I have never been one of your customers. But these things hurt both the reputation of those who put in place such act and the forum itself. Probably it could have been better ways to handle the situation but everyone acts according to his conscience and his line of thought. But what left me bitter and leaves me wondering was that I received a private message on the honorbuddy forum just the day after posting my ban on it.
I don't want to doubt the service you offer. I know how much success you have always had with such practices. But what makes me lose trust is that I felt as if someone wanted to take advantage of my ban. These are not offenses, assaults or harassments. This is how I felt reading that private message with the knowledge that no one, not even a god could give me back my account now. Because we are the newcomers who do not know anything about a suspension or a ban. Because we know well how these things work.
I say this because I consider this forum a place where people like me come together to share, help and work together for a common purpose. Receive something in return for your aid is fair, take advantage of situations like this goes against the spirit of this forum in my opinion.
I wasn't too impressed with that message spam on hb about the unban service either, mass pm to all banned users it seemed the poster did get banned though it seemed on hb but yeah I knew about this service along time ago and to get that message was like a slap in the face no unban service will get these bans removed or reduced. And I yet to see anyone on hb or this site say otherwise(personally I wish I was wrong please show evidence if I am)
maybe on personal gm bans or non banwave bans sure I believe this service can help you but when it's a hb wave or the sbr/ewt/rebot banwave that hit with permas 7 days earliar to the december hb banwave your gone and will not be overturned it's well known by now.
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noobite
I wasn't too impressed with that message spam on hb about the unban service either, mass pm to all banned users it seemed the poster did get banned though it seemed on hb but yeah I knew about this service along time ago and to get that message was like a slap in the face no unban service will get these bans removed or reduced. And I yet to see anyone on hb or this site say otherwise(personally I wish I was wrong please show evidence if I am)
In fact I do not doubt the ability of Sephiroth in its service, as I do not doubt his success. What I question is whether this practice (HB forum mass-PMing after the banwave) is fair towards those who doesn't know that these kinds of bans can't be appealed.
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maybe on personal gm bans or non banwave bans sure I believe this service can help you but when it's a hb wave or the sbr/ewt/rebot banwave that hit with permas 7 days earliar to the december hb banwave your gone and will not be overturned it's well known by now.
This is exactly what Sklug talking about and the reason why i quoted him. As I said, for many of us is common sense, but not everyone is aware about the modus operandi of a company like Blizzard in these situations and it is up to us to spread the word about it. This is my point of view and no one will change it.
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Originally Posted by
Dream Eater
In fact I do not doubt the ability of Sephiroth in its service, as I do not doubt his success. What I question is whether this practice (HB forum mass-PMing after the banwave) is fair towards those who doesn't know that these kinds of bans can't be appealed.
This is exactly what Sklug talking about and the reason why i quoted him. As I said, for many of us is common sense, but not everyone is aware about the modus operandi of a company like Blizzard in these situations and it is up to us to spread the word about it. This is my point of view and no one will change it.
You are absolutely true. I got a 6 month ban for a very specific exploit. Blizzard had records/lots of proof of me abusing an exploit.
In my desperation I used Sephirol's service. Sephirol is very objective and professional, and I personally think that this is not always the best approach.
The tickets Sephirol sent me came down to the same every time; just stand your ground and 1. Deny the fact you did anything wrong 2. Keep repeating the fact you are a loyal customer etc.
I could have told you from the beginning that this approach had a 0% succes rate, they have the records of me abusing an exploit. 'Hey, we got lots of proof that this guy exploited, but in his tickets he denies this, let's unban him!'.
I wonder if Sephirol ever honestly suggested someone to NOT take his service, simply because the chance of succes is way too low.
I am sure Sephirol's service has it's successes, but Seph could easily make a distinction between cases that have an unban chance and cases that have none (you got banned in a honorbuddy ban wave for botting? Your unban chance is 0%, simple as that.), and I don't think he makes this distinction, just so he can cash in.
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i have seen hundreds unbanned by Seph, so literally every spam and troll on here can **** off.
and do not hate someone for using effective advertising... Do you have your favorite products in this whole who do worse than send a mass PM? jesus yall kids.
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Originally Posted by
TheEnglishGuy
You are absolutely true. I got a 6 month ban for a very specific exploit. Blizzard had records/lots of proof of me abusing an exploit.
In my desperation I used Sephirol's service. Sephirol is very objective and professional, and I personally think that this is not always the best approach.
The tickets Sephirol sent me came down to the same every time; just stand your ground and 1. Deny the fact you did anything wrong 2. Keep repeating the fact you are a loyal customer etc.
I could have told you from the beginning that this approach had a 0% succes rate, they have the records of me abusing an exploit. 'Hey, we got lots of proof that this guy exploited, but in his tickets he denies this, let's unban him!'.
I wonder if Sephirol ever honestly suggested someone to NOT take his service, simply because the chance of succes is way too low.
I am sure Sephirol's service has it's successes, but Seph could easily make a distinction between cases that have an unban chance and cases that have none (you got banned in a honorbuddy ban wave for botting? Your unban chance is 0%, simple as that.), and I don't think he makes this distinction, just so he can cash in.
personally im not a fan of paying someone to write you an unban letter because no one knows the case better than you yourself , HOWEVER you asked and im sure it would be interesting to know that back in seph's relatively early days i approached him about my perma banned vanilla char that i was emotionally attached to and after he asked me for the details of the case he told me with all honesty that he will be just ripping me off if he took my money because chances are slim to non-existant.
tl;dr : you can argue wether seph's ways work or not but his morals are undisputed!
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Originally Posted by
CreativeXtent
i have seen hundreds unbanned by Seph, so literally every spam and troll on here can **** off.
and do not hate someone for using effective advertising... Do you have your favorite products in this whole who do worse than send a mass PM? jesus yall kids.
Well I am not trolling or spamming, true he might of got plenty of people unbanned in past but how about this year? forgive me but link the places where people have posted getting unbanned from the major hb banwaves or similar. Or how about all the people that have used him post here about his service and how they got unbanned really not just saying or posting quotes.
I may be wrong, as I said I cannot find these posts maybe I'm silly or dumb but if you can show if otherwise your trolling if anything.
And the fact that they advertised the services during the hb banwave by private messaging all who posted ban reports with discounts and I haven't seen any reports saying this service was successful is bit.......
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