Scammers free gold selling environment???

[fhm]

Hello OC forumers! I posted 2-3 days ago a thread, that im selling gold on Al'Akir. I got invited in skype by a scammer(didnt know at the moment) and he said he wanted to buy the gold i had. I asked him to pay first and then I'll trade the gold. The dude very hasty and send me the money right away. After I traded him the gold he kindly asked me to inform him when i have more gold to sell and that was it. I logged then in Paypal and made a transaction to my credit card cuz i needed the money. This morning, as i was checking my email i saw that paypal are investigating a claim oO? I was suprised so i logged in paypal and saw that i have a negative balance and that the money are beeing stopped by paypal. Immidiately i contacted the guy with whom i traded the gold and he just said that he had scammed me and if i wanted to i may complain as much as i want but i wont see either my wow gold or euro money -.-... So my question is is there a way that i can sell safely gold. without such lowlifes messing around? i dont want to sell the gold to goldsellers, because they are putting extremely low prices and its not worth it? Or is there an alternative paypal 3rd party w/e its called or im just stuck?!
thank you in advance for the time spent on my thread!
love&peace yall <3

[Danielite]

Ask him to send the money as gift? :/

[x4kep]

You can, Moneybookers, they can't charge back if they are wanting to scam you, so you are much safer!

[Thaadevil]

Looks like you lost 100% instead of the 30% to goldsellers. LOL sorry just had too...
Really its more worth it to sell to gold sellers..

[fhm]

i told him to send them as a gift! but due to the fact im still a newbie to all this crazy sh*iat i didnt knew how money sent as a gift looks like -.- .
@ xakep - i've hearb bout moneybookers, but i thought its not as safe as paypal, cuz most ppl trade via paypal.. **** me right!

[fhm]

just for the record i dont know if its counted as spam i want to share the details of the scammer. Dont know if theres a main thread about it, if there is please copy them there thanks in advance.
email - [email protected]
name - Ko Kwon Chai
skype - undertaker8724...

[x4kep]

PayPal is safe but it has it's pros and cons, Moneybookers is safe as well + you can't get scammed by the chargeback abuse that ruins PayPal

[Razor33]

Hello Fhm, here is a link witch may help you a little How to Tell If a Paypal Payment is a Gift | Webupon
It explains how to tell the differences among a gift or normal payment.

When someone add you on skype or any messenger try Google their skype ID (not the name). IF he is a scammer and you are not his first victim you will find for sure him blacklisted on varios MMO selling sites and forums.
If you don't find any scammed people by him or one of his users banned on forums then proceed to step 2, ask them to post on OwnedCore or on the forum you are trading, and check carefully their started threads and posts and if anything smells bad like many people saying he is not safe ect try avoid .

The next step will be the "tempting option". Usually most of scammers are idiots who will offer as much as you ask for large amounts of golds without negotiate at all or just a little. If you are dealing with such person i strongly suggest to not deal.

Another thing you may look is the number of the person contacts, by pressing "view Profile" on his skype name not only you can see his skype ID but also the number of contacts he have, and lets be honest most of the people have at least 20-30 people. If the dude have 1-5 contacts obviously is a possible scammer making more and more new skype ID's since his main skype or past skype addresses are already on the forums ^^
There is a way to hide such detail but if someone hide this he do it maybe for this reason and then it may be a smart scammer. Also if he is "smart" he will first add 20-30-40 contacts b4 he start attempt to scamm people, but again we speak about "smart thiefes" and most of them will not do this since like i said they are or to lazy to do that or to morons.

Remember scammers can claim unauthorized transaction even in the Gift case, but the risk is maybe lower. To have some chances against "unauthorized transactions claims" send the buyer an e-mail and ask him to confirm his real name, his PP account, his mail address and the fact he decided to Gift you that amount of money and he will not charge back them at any moment or for any reasons.
If the guy you are dealing with have some good rep or positive feedback score he may actually think you are the scammer if you proceed like this so carefully who you ask this, so just verify the mail but don't ask for all steps in these cases.
I don't know how much this will raise your chances in a unfortunately dispute, but for sure it will scare most of the scammers to deal with you since once again i repeat this "most of them are thanks to God idiots or scared f...s"
Also keep mind even if this method with mail verification wont help, many scammers may use stolen PayPal accounts and they may have the PP but not the mail yet. At least you will avoid those kind of attempts ...

To stay away from even more troubles mail verification is recommended but not so necessary as PP even on MB, if we talk about huge amounts and those buyers have low rep/feedback (depending on forums).

These methods will not make you stay on the safe barricade 100 % but at least you will greatly reduce the risks.
I hope my guide could help you a little my friend, i really wish you GL with this because luck is also involved when you try to find costumers, and remember "be smart, trade safe" .

[fhm]

Razor, thanks for the thorough guide you wrote there ! I'll keep those steps in mind next time . Btw the guy that scammed me has sent the money as a gift, but still he claimed them afterwards ..

[Razor33]

Razor, thanks for the thorough guide you wrote there ! I'll keep those steps in mind next time . Btw the guy that scammed me has sent the money as a gift, but still he claimed them afterwards ..

I'm glad i could help somehow mate. Careful when people send you those "gifts" so they don't add notes attached to the payment like "wow gold" or "for you in game currency" ect ect, notes they can use to say "omg omg look PayPal it was a in game item's i payed for and i didn't received them :O!"

[silobass]

Thanks for the tips Razor, very useful

[GoldHamsterWoW]

Thanks for your advices regarding paypal. very usefull! Thanks

[esp3rae]

If you can take payment on MoneyBooker, no charge back, so no scam by your own buyer

[moscato]

thx for the guide Razor, i've found it to be very useful!

[Dartexx]

One more thing to watch out for is the imposters. Those scammers will try to make you believe they're trusted and reputable gold buyers by choosing a similar skype login name, same avatar etc.(watch for ., zeros instead of Os and other little dirty tricks they use - always check official website, skype should be listed there). Also it's a good idea to ask the gold buyer to private message you on ownedcore or to post in some topic thus you'll be safe and sure you're dealing with the right person and not with the scammer. Most serious gold buyers have their topics at ownedcore so make sure you're dealing with the right person before giving any gold to anyone.