Why Kil'jaeden could be stronger than the lich king

[naztheros]

Well you don't kill KJ either, you just whack him until he falls back into his giant hot tub.

[Jeesk]

You can't say that the Lich King is more powerful than KJ just because KJ asked Illidan to kill him. If you make that assumption, then are you also assuming that Illidan is stronger than KJ too? Otherwise why would KJ ask him to kill the Lich King, if he couldn't kill the Lich King himself? I think it's more of a case of them creating/recruiting minions to do their bidding for them. As you know it takes great effort and a huger gathering of power to summon someone like Archimonde or KJ to Azeroth. So until he can get summoned there himself, he uses people already there to do his dirty work for him.

It never explicitly states that the Lich King is now more powerful than him, it just states that the Lich King had "grown beyond Kil'jaeden's control". Meaning he could be equal, or close to equal, in power. For example, I can't control you, that doesn't mean you're more powerful than me - you can't control me either. So we wouldn't really know who is more powerful until they meet But given that the Lich King's power was originally given by KJ, we can assume KJ is more powerful until proven otherwise, just as we assume Sargeras is more powerful than Archimonde and KJ, since he gave them their power.

On the subject of Archmonde and KJ, Archimonde led their battles while KJ was the brains behind it, but that doesn't mean KJ was less powerful. Don't assume that because he's smarter it doesn't mean he's less powerful, if anything, it should be the opposite. And when Sargeras was gone, it was KJ who took over his command, while Archimonde just led the armies. Further to this, Velen once said that KJ was more powerful than both himself and Archimonde. Given the above, if anything I would say KJ is more powerful than Archimonde, though perhaps only slightly. That's why I just listed them together.

[Roofhack]

Didn't know Kil'jaeden thought Ner'zhul was too powerful. Well that pretty much decides who's more powerful :P
And Kil'jaeden is more powerful than Archimonde. Yes Archimonde is more physically powerful but Kil'jaeden is overall more powerful with magic and whatnot. Plus if Archimonde was more powerful why is he a weaker raid boss? Although game mechanics =/= lore but still. :P

Correct. Kil'jaeden is the boss of the Burning Legion, much more powerful the Archimonde.


Kil'jaeden overall is more power then the Lich King, yes. But he was the creator of the original Lich King, everything that has become of the Lich King cannot be given as credit to Kil'jaeden. Even though Kil'jaeden can be credited for the Lich King's capacity to become so powerful by controlling so much undead and by merging with Arthas.

So pretty much, someone creates a virus, sends it out onto the world (or the web). That virus grows and grows, and in time changes and develops depending on the people it affects and how it affects them. And from there it only gets stronger. While that first person can be credited for the original creation of the virus, he cannot be credited for what it has become, because the virus does that in itself (even though the creator can be credited for giving the virus that ability to get so powerful in it's original form, somewhat, but Kil'jaeden didn't want the Lich King to get that power, since it's now out of his control).

[Jakkc]

I disagree.

Scourge > Burning Legion imo.

I disagree. I don't really think Lich King can compete with Kil'Jaeden, i think he is more on Illidans level.

[Lagymoon]

I disagree. I don't really think Lich King can compete with Kil'Jaeden, i think he is more on Illidans level.

the lich king is more stronger than illidan bkz he killed him on a blizzard movie, but the movie shows thats he is just ca 30% stronger and then i think KJ is much more stronger than both illidan and arthas

[Mechl]

As Jeesk said the only reason why Kil'jaeden ordered Illidan to destroy the Frozen Throne was since he had no way to enter Azeroth to do it himself. Powerful beings such as Kil'jaeden, Sargeras, etc. cannot enter Azeroth unless they are summoned in.

Now the next expansion after WotLK is likely the Maelstrom which would have Aszhara being the final boss. During the War of the Ancients Mannoroth realized much to his dismay that Aszhara was stronger than him and almost matched Sargeras in power. With her now being even more powerful after becoming a servant of the Old Gods she is likely on par with Kil'jaeden.

[Xeyzer]

Lore, Like Online Retards Explains

[itachiu37]

From what I heard Arthas was created by Kil'jaeden. What this could mean is Kil'jaeden knows the ways of Death Knights since he most likely had to know what he was creating before he created it. I could be wrong though.

Kil'jaeden didnt create Arthas, he was just a paladin who was lost in the dark while trying to save his people, however the Lich King is the creation of Kil'jaeden, a mutated spirit of the second-in-command warchief of the warlocks, Nerzhul. However, the Lich King, when he was reunited with his blade, a boost of power emerged from him, and kil'jaeden cant destroy him. If he could, why didnt he do it already?

[naztheros]

Kil'jaeden didnt create Arthas, he was just a paladin who was lost in the dark while trying to save his people, however the Lich King is the creation of Kil'jaeden, a mutated spirit of the second-in-command warchief of the warlocks, Nerzhul. However, the Lich King, when he was reunited with his blade, a boost of power emerged from him, and kil'jaeden cant destroy him. If he could, why didnt he do it already?

We already established the fact that Kil'jaeden can't come to Azeroth yet, which is why he hasn't destroyed the Lich King.

But considering how much the Lich King has grown in power with joining with Arthas, getting Frostmourne, the normal passage of time, and Kil'jaeden giving some of his own power to Ner'zhul so he could become what he is, by now the Lich King would at least be a match for KJ, if not moar powerful.

[grazk]

Kil'jaeden did create the Lich King, the Lich King's powers have multiplied hundredfold since that time. Kil'jaeden in his normal state should still be more powerful though.

Kil'jaeden - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft - Kil'jaeden's wowwiki page

Lich King - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft - Lich King's page. (see Ner'zhul - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft for Ner'zhul's page and Arthas Menethil - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft for Arthas)