Random Explorations

[Emo_Sauce]

The AQ ones are doable without shadowstepping totems as well

For most of our explorations we only use the totem+shadow step if it's absolutely necessary and stick to conventional methods of gliders/mount jumps/slowfalls and even wall jumping if it's possible in some cases.

You seem very bitter that we're actually using the totem method, especially since you parade around these forums like you own the place. You have a horrible attitude and it displays in your posts.

Kind Regards,

Emo_Sauce

[Ziozi]

lol wtf EMO sauce, Woona only stated that you could climb the AQ areas without the shadowstep method. and why would he be bitter about that method, when we were the ones who brought it to OC? seems like someone is butthurt for some strange reason

[Emo_Sauce]

lol wtf EMO sauce, Woona only stated that you could climb the AQ areas without the shadowstep method. and why would he be bitter about that method, when we were the ones who brought it to OC? seems like someone is butthurt for some strange reason

Every post you both make is very condescending. You brought it to OC - lots of people was already aware of it but kept it quiet for their own reasons.

And i might as well add in that you brought it to OC as an exploit, which jeopardized how long it would be before it got fixed.

[Strangletusk]

lol wtf EMO sauce, Woona only stated that you could climb the AQ areas without the shadowstep method. and why would he be bitter about that method, when we were the ones who brought it to OC? seems like someone is butthurt for some strange reason

'butthurt'? No, he's not butthurt. He just dislikes arrogance, and that's how he interpreted Woona's comment - as if implying that that's all we can do. What annoyed Sauce was that implication that we can only reach places with the totems. He took it as being condescending, which given how he, and indeed yourself too Ziozi, are both relatively new to the forum as being unnecessary.

Yes, you brought it to OC. As Sauce stated, others knew of it beforehand, and made the wise decision to keep it secret given the power of the glitch. You release it, put it in exploiting forums, demonstrate it's use as being able to be used to cheat in arena and thus greatly shorten the life of the glitch. It will be fixed far sooner because of it's release. And yet you two seem to think because you 'released' this glitch that this makes you great, that you can act as if you own the place. You released a powerful glitch, yes. Does this entitle you to try and rub the fact in people's faces, to act as if you 'own' it? No.

That is what he, and indeed I, object to. The use of exploration as another way to exploit, and doing so in an arrogant way. That damages exploration far more than it helps it. Sharing glitches everywhere is not always the best way. We should seek to preserve exploration, and sometimes that involves keeping powerful methods locked down.

Maybe Sauce did jump on the comment a bit too much, maybe he didn't. All I can say is that I can understand why, given the circumstances, he would interpret it as being patronising.

[Woona]

For most of our explorations we only use the totem+shadow step if it's absolutely necessary and stick to conventional methods of gliders/mount jumps/slowfalls and even wall jumping if it's possible in some cases.

You seem very bitter that we're actually using the totem method, especially since you parade around these forums like you own the place. You have a horrible attitude and it displays in your posts.

Kind Regards,

Emo_Sauce

Bitter? No, not at all. I just thought I'd point it out in case you were unaware. 'As if I own the place'? Quote some of my posts for reference please, because I have no idea what you're talking about. The only thing I can think of is us talking about general activity in this section. For some time this forum was pmuch dead and we attempted to put out some regular content to keep it fresh.

'butthurt'? No, he's not butthurt. He just dislikes arrogance, and that's how he interpreted Woona's comment - as if implying that that's all we can do. What annoyed Sauce was that implication that we can only reach places with the totems. He took it as being condescending, which given how he, and indeed yourself too Ziozi, are both relatively new to the forum as being unnecessary.

Yes, you brought it to OC. As Sauce stated, others knew of it beforehand, and made the wise decision to keep it secret given the power of the glitch. You release it, put it in exploiting forums, demonstrate it's use as being able to be used to cheat in arena and thus greatly shorten the life of the glitch. It will be fixed far sooner because of it's release. And yet you two seem to think because you 'released' this glitch that this makes you great, that you can act as if you own the place. You released a powerful glitch, yes. Does this entitle you to try and rub the fact in people's faces, to act as if you 'own' it? No.

That is what he, and indeed I, object to. The use of exploration as another way to exploit, and doing so in an arrogant way. That damages exploration far more than it helps it. Sharing glitches everywhere is not always the best way. We should seek to preserve exploration, and sometimes that involves keeping powerful methods locked down.

Maybe Sauce did jump on the comment a bit too much, maybe he didn't. All I can say is that I can understand why, given the circumstances, he would interpret it as being patronising.

Maybe Ziozi feels differently about it, but I really don't care about who 'found' a glitch. And in case you missed it, soon after he posted it in the exploit section he realised his mistake and immediately filed for a delete/move to exploration section. Mistakes happen.

People seem very edgy in this forum as of late. Same when I pointed out basically a third of Dellion's newest video on here was a repost of stuff I had already posted, I got a hate message in reply, while other reposts get shot down en masse. Hypocrits annoy me more than most things.

[Strangletusk]

Hypocrits annoy me more than most things.

Me too man.

...I really don't care about who 'found' a glitch.

I'm just hoping you're referring to the spot, not the method. Unless you used something other than what I'm thinking of.

Me too.

[Woona]

Quoting out of context makes things easy, doesn't it? You had posted a screenshot of the dragonblight tower and had a text with it saying something along the lines of ''using a cool tool we found'', and I messaged that because, as you so nicely pointed out in your previous post above mine, it wasn't you, or Emo. Nor was it me.

Edit: I could probably dig up some nice old video from my youtube channel in which I show a glitch from a different game and go ''I'll show you how to do this once I have x subscribers.'' Does that count for my current view on things as well?

[Strangletusk]

Quoting out of context makes things easy, doesn't it?

Hardly out of context. You stated you didn't care about who found methods, I showed a direct quote from you that illustrates the exact opposite.

And yes, easy is exactly how I'd describe the difficulty, or lack thereof, of finding an example that contradicted you.

[Strangletusk]

You had posted a screenshot of the dragonblight tower and had a text with it saying something along the lines of ''using a cool tool we found'', and I messaged that because, as you so nicely pointed out in your previous post above mine, it wasn't you, or Emo. Nor was it me.

Edit: I could probably dig up some nice old video from my youtube channel in which I show a glitch from a different game and go ''I'll show you how to do this once I have x subscribers.'' Does that count for my current view on things as well?

This makes like, barely any sense man. Can't even work out you're trying to say, it's a mess. I'll try though.

We never mentioned anything about saying "cool tool we found" along with the screenshot (which was of the dragon portal room below Wyrmrest Temple, in end time) - Kaldonir asked how we did it, I explained it was using something we found and we would prefer not to release it. May seem a slight difference to you as you don't seem to 'get it', but it's different all the same.

As for the point about your "old youtube video"...I literally have no clue what you're on about, what point you're trying to make...anything. Perhaps actually reading through before posting instead of just spewing disjointed 'points' (for want of a better word) out would help people actually understand what you're trying to say.

[Ziozi]

When i released the totem shadowstep video here on OC i had been on the forum for 1 month, i diden't know that blizzard stroke hard on methods like this if exposed, i just wanted to share the exploration tool to other people on OC, and yes i know that people probably had been using it for themselves for some time before i released it.

And i never stated that we owned the method or anything, exactly the opposite, we released it on OC so other people could use it, if they diden't know about it. I only stated that i couldn't see a reason for why Woona should sound bitter that other people used the method we released together so people could actually use it.

Woona only replied "The AQ ones are doable without shadowstepping totems as well " we actually made a video of exploring AQ reaching those spots and he simply stated that it was possible without shadowstepping. there's no bitterness or arrogance in that lol

[Woona]

As for the point about your "old youtube video"...I literally have no clue what you're on about, what point you're trying to make...anything. Perhaps actually reading through before posting instead of just spewing disjointed 'points' (for want of a better word) out would help people actually understand what you're trying to say.

ah, so you read the edit after all. It's about you picking relatively old, out of context quotes as to provide yourself with ''proof'' that I'm being a hypocrit. Allow me to rephrase. I do not care whether or not -I- found a glitch. People stating -they- found something when they did not, however, is a different matter entirely.

Edit: and pointless argueing over nothing is pointless.

[Strangletusk]

ah, so you read the edit after all. It's about you picking relatively old, out of context quotes as to provide yourself with ''proof'' that I'm being a hypocrit. Allow me to rephrase. I do not care whether or not -I- found a glitch. People stating -they- found something when they did not, however, is a different matter entirely.

Old? 2 weeks ago is hardly old. And, as I've already explained (but you seem inclined to ignore nonetheless) it very clearly was not out of context.

We're basically arguing semantics here. I'm talking about caring about ownership of a glitch, and being so very ready to jump on someone when it's not even clear that they're saying they found something of yours (our glitch isn't the same incidentally, otherwise I wouldn't have ever stated it was something we'd discovered) does seem to conflict with what you're saying about you not caring about whether you found a glitch. The two are not completely separate, no matter how much you try and say they are. They're both viewpoints that care about the ownership of a glitch.

Basically, if you didn't care about whether you or someone else found something, then you wouldn't be so quick to get on people's cases about it - especially given that in this case, it was not even clear that we were trying to "take" the discovery away from you. Fair enough if it was blatantly us going "we found totemstepping", but it wasn't. At all.

[Woona]

Okay mate. My care about my own findings vs care about people claiming things they didn't do is the same.

[zaeBOOST]

I felt like this needed to be here. You guys are fighting over a method for traversing walls in a game...

[Woona]

It's actually not about that. But sure, let's go with that.