[Discovery] 3th Expansion: Undermine? New race: Goblin?

[Xel]

[Discovery] 3th Expansion: Undermine? New race: Goblin?

Sorry, this post i kinda of messy, try to understand :P

First of all, take a look at this picture which was published before TBC came out:
[IMG]http://photos1.************/blogger/8095/1604/1600/WoWworldmap.jpg[/IMG]
Down in the map there is an area called "Undermine" will it be in the next expansion?
Now look at the post which Maarte2003 wrote about Undermine
while ago.

The image above is as i said published before the BC.
Notice that the northrend looks almost same as it will be in the 2th expansion, even the places are almost same.
CoT, Quel'Thalas, Zul'Aman; Someone knew all them very much before they came out!

Blizzards concept map for Undermine as shown in WoW The Collectors Editon. DVD - Behind the Scenes:

"Undermine is the center of goblin civilization. It is located beneath and within Kezan, and is connected to the island via a series of volcanic tunnels."- From WoWWiki.

New race: Goblins?
Information from WoWWiki

Undermine may be the home city and starting area for Goblins if they ever become a playable race, for the Alliance or the Horde. Its mysterious state would be perfect for this. It's quite likely that a significant portion of the continent's content and cities will be underground. Players will probably be able to get to Undermine via boat from Booty Bay, Ratchet, and/or Steamwheedle Port.

Another (perhaps more likely, due to the generally neutral attitude of the Goblins) possibility is that Undermine will be a sanctuary (or you just get beaten by the Bruisers if you get in a fight) similar to Shattrath City, where violence is prohibited and players can choose between two different, contradictory factions (other than Venture Co. and the Steamwheedle Cartel, possibly Gnomes and Goblins and even Leper Gnomes and Hobgoblins) like the Aldor and Scryers. Due to its location, it would probably suffice for an Great sea expansion.

Note that Undermine was already in the early betas as not a city but a continent south of kalimdor, but there was only water there and nothing else.

Since the Goblins helped Deathwing it could be possible he is hiding there with some of the Black Dragonflight. If so, Mount Kajaro is a likely place for him to be.

The undermine has been confirmed at the world of warcraft's official site at 2005 just before the firefestival:
"The innovative and artistic engineers of Undermine have been slaving away since their display of pyrotechnics in July."

So if this is true we will be propably playing Goblins in the 3th expansion (Yippii! )


World of Warcraft Alpha notes at 2003



Alpha version 5.3
Dec 11 2003

* 0, Azeroth
* 1, Kalimdor
* 2, UnderMine
* 13, test (Testing)
* 17, Kalidar
* 25, ScottTest (Scott Test)
* 29, Test (CashTest)
* 30, PVPZone01
* 33, Shadowfang
* 34, StormwindJail
* 35, StormwindPrison
* 36, DeadminesInstance
* 37, PVPZone02
* 42, Collin (Collin's Test)
* 43, WailingCaverns (WailingCavernsInstance)
* 44, Monastery (MonasteryInterior)
* 47, RazorfenKraulInstance (RazorfenKraul)
* 48, Blackfathom (Blackfathom Instance)
* 70, Uldaman (Uldaman Instance)
* 90, GnomeragonInstance
* 109, SunkenTemple (SunkenTempleInstance)
* 129, RazorfenDowns (RazorfenDownsInstance)

Release at 2004
Release version 1.1.0
Nov 07 2004

* 0, Azeroth (Eastern Kingdoms)
* 1, Kalimdor
* 13, test (Testing)
* 25, ScottTest (Scott Test)
* 29, Test (CashTest)
* 30, PVPZone01
* 33, Shadowfang
* 34, StormwindJail
* 35, StormwindPrison
* 36, DeadminesInstance
* 37, PVPZone02 (Crush the Alliance!)
(Defend yourself from the onslaught of the Horde!)
* 42, Collin (Collin's Test)
* 43, WailingCaverns (WailingCavernsInstance)
* 44, Monastery (MonasteryInterior)
* 47, RazorfenKraulInstance (RazorfenKraul)
* 48, Blackfathom (Blackfathom Instance)
* 70, Uldaman (Uldaman Instance)
* 90, GnomeragonInstance (GnomeragonInstance)
* 109, SunkenTemple (SunkenTempleInstance)
* 129, RazorfenDowns (RazorfenDownsInstance)
* 169, EmeraldDream (Emerald Dream)
* 189, MonasteryInstances
* 209, TanarisInstance (Zul'farrak)
* 229, BlackRockSpire (Blackrock Upper Instance)
* 230, BlackrockDepths (Blackrock Lower Instance)
* 249, OnyxiaLairInstance (Onyxias Lair Instance)
* 269, CavernsOfTime (Caverns of Time)
* 289, SchoolofNecromancy (School of Necromancy)
* 309, Zul'gurub
* 329, Stratholme
* 349, Mauradon
* 369, DeeprunTram (Deeprun Tram)
* 389, OrgrimmarInstance
* 409, MoltenCore (Molten Core)
* 429, DireMaul (Dire Maul)
* 449, AlliancePVPBarracks (Alliance PVP Barracks)
* 450, HordePVPBarracks (Horde PVP Barracks)
* 451, development (Development Land)

Notice that Undermine was removed from the game at release.

The other weird places are for some nonfinished places like
Pvpzone 2 which is actually Azhara Crater and
Kalidar which was an nonfinished and removed Battleground

Thanks for spending time to my post, I hope it was intresting.
- Xel

Resources: WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft;
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[Vladinator]

Nice research, you deserve praise for that. But most people here that have been working with world editing and browsing trough DBC files and such, kinda know about this. I myself have browsed the alpha files too long time ago and noticed what had been removed from the retail. ;P

[Naga_Stole_My_Bike]

Are you seeing the map in the post couse im not?
+rep anyways
This is Amazing!

[jonchijonchi]

Nice to know! +rape

[Dwight K. Schrute]

Nice to know! +rape

miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight wana rephrase that.....

[Ic3fuzion]

Very interesting and nice to know! +rep

[Viter]

Wow thats something great there mate!
+rep x3

EDIT: Cant rep you

[Rvdarktemplar]

this is a really cool post +rep

[MooseBoi]

http://www.wowszene.de/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?175413 <-- Check dis shiz out. If it isnt there then it most likey wont be made...

[xerox95]

This is VERY old.


First Kalidar already exists in-game!
Kalidar IS Teldrassil in the lore. Teldrassil is the tree, Kalidar is island Teldrassil is located on. Understand? Teldrassil is not the island, Teldrassil lies on the island of Kalidar.
Azshara Crater was orginally planned as AV but got scrapped.

If you look on Wowwiki like 80% of all expansion ideas are Undermine and the Great Sea and almost all speculations have that picture.

That picture comes from the orginal WoW limited or collectors edition.

Orginally it was planned that both the Great Sea, Northrend, Emerald Dream and Outland should be included at the same time.
But it became to much work and instead they decided to make them expansions.
Files for Emerald Dream and old Outland still exist and I have been in both before they both were nerfed,

The two next possible expansions and Great Sea and Emerald Dream.

Before WotLK everybody thought that the Great Sea would be the new expansion.

This is common sense really. Undermine is the goblin capital. Kezan is the island.
I though everybody knew about this, no one of you did quests in Tanaris or Ratchet? :P
They mention Undermine all the time - you can even see the Great Sea and its islands on the World Map (althought some have disappeared like Kul'tiras and the Broken Isles).

Races will probably be Pandaren, Worgen or some kind of Murlocs.
But if Blizzard decides to have neutral races - then Goblins might come.

[robbe02]

Very nice m8 +rep

[-Lex]

Very old... But i still like you because your name is mine backwards

[Viter]

http://www.wowszene.de/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?175413 <-- Check dis shiz out. If it isnt there then it most likey wont be made...

english on that website please?

[Xel]

Nice research, you deserve praise for that. But most people here that have been working with world editing and browsing trough DBC files and such, kinda know about this. I myself have browsed the alpha files too long time ago and noticed what had been removed from the retail. ;P

Where did you get the Alpha files?
+Rep for a link to a topic or anything

Xerox95, yes these are old things but not so many know about them so this is like "wake up" topic or something.

-Lex, i wanted a legendary name and got one :P

[fucduck]

well... goblins don't use the same model as the common mobs
so i strongly belive that not only goblins, but probally all races in "character" section from MPQ files will be playabe races