thats what i figured. should i just start over? drop all my navicat work and make a new one? and which guide would help with the updated stuff. i have all of my maps and vmaps taken care of im not sure what would be quicker but i just wanna resolve this. thats why im asking you to use team view to check my work. or if you want i can post pics of all my config files but that would be huge. team veiw is free to use. and safe for you. my friend was helping me with it earlyer. but now im just confused.