Lua Team?

[BrantX]

Hello everyone!
I have a couple of questions that will help me, because i have been thinking about bringing one of my old projects back to life when i returned to emulation(couple days ago), but there's only one thing that is stopping me to start reviving it.

Questions :

1. Does Ascent-Based Emulators even need it?
2. Would it be worth the shot?
   
3. Is Lua even used alot anymore?
4. Would you guys find it helpful?
5. Would you guys use it?

[Dr. Livingstone]

Ascent-based emulators definitely still see lua as advantages. If you are willing to put the time and effort in then it is definitely worth the shot, but you have to work hard for it. Lua is still very common and is my favorite language to do emulation stuff in, and it is definitely the best when it comes to releases. A much wider crowd will utilize lua than a C++ script that achieves the same goals. The last two questions really depend on what you are going to do.

[BrantX]

Alright, thanks!

[stoneharry]

1) Depends on the server.
2) Personally, I think it is.
3) Lua is just becoming better and better, since LuaHypArc real scripting is starting to be introduced, rather than the make-shift crappy ways before.
4) No I wouldn't, but if your scripting blizzlike, ArcScripts and the rest of the blizzlike crowd would like it.
5) See above.

[Link_S]

Lua is pretty much the language that dominates the emulation world nowadays.

It's easier to learn than C/C++.
Its syntax is easier to understand than C/C++.
Compiling is easier than C/C++ compilation.

Although I hate the Lua syntax and love the ways C++ is messed up with variables.

[Aellya]

1. Does Ascent-Based Emulators even need it? Yes and no, I would prefer C++ but LUA is slightly easier to edit, so Im happy to use it.
2. Would it be worth the shot? IMO yes.
3. Is Lua even used alot anymore? Didnt I already answer this? But yes: C++, nice as it is, needs to be compiled with the server. LUA our dev team can change as they see fit, hence we use it rather extensively.
4. Would you guys find it helpful? Yes, save me some time and heartache please
5. Would you guys use it? Assuming it was blizzlike and high quality, yes.

[AzolexX]

Lua is pretty much the language that dominates the emulation world nowadays.

It's easier to learn than C/C++.
Its syntax is easier to understand than C/C++.
Compiling is easier than C/C++ compilation.

Although I hate the Lua syntax and love the ways C++ is messed up with variables.

No.

You have no idea what are you talking about.
You have no idea what are you talking about.
You have no idea what are you talking about.

Although messed up with variables wut? Wrong again.

[Link_S]

AzolexX, it's very easy to understand that You have no idea what you're talkin' about.

Lets take this for an example;

The if statement of C++ looks like this (as you appearantly already knew..)

if(condition)
{
    //I'm within the bracers!
}

Here's a list of the most common one appearing using the language.

And an if statement using Lua looks like this (as you appearantly already knew also..)

if condition then
end

If you compare the codes with each other. For someone with no knowledge of any syntax of any programming language, the Lua syntax seems most like common sense and the C++ syntax looks like some kind of wierd chineese.

Lua
if -> Common sense
condition -> Might not be common sense cause the statements include boolean operators
end -> Common sense

C++
if -> common sense
condition -> Exact the same as Lua
bracer -> Are often confusing for some people without programming knowledge at all
end bracer -> Often confusing for some people without programming knowledge at all

Do you get what I mean?

If you're learning Lua you don't have to go through 100 tutorials or reading a book. You just have to use your common sense and read ~2/4 tutorials, you don't even have to read a book.

While learning C++ you have to study a lot harder than with Lua. You have to read a lot more to understand the language.



And, the C++ language is messed up with variables of all kinds!

When you usually program for WoW, writing modules for the server, you don't have to mess around with the variables that are messed. That's probably why you think I'm wrong.

When you include the 'windows.h' header, you get a bounch of variables. Look it up and see it yourself.
There are for an example eight variables I can come up with that reprecent a single string in C++.

//The standard C one
char * str;

//STL string
std::string str;

//Binary string
BSTR str;

//Some other strings xD
LPCSTR str;
LPCWSTR str;
LPTSTR str;
LPSTR str;
LPWSTR str;

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa505945.aspx

Do you still think I'm wrong?

[AzolexX]

You miss the point, i won't argue. And you are wrong.

[Link_S]

wut? Why do you come here complaining at me, then you simply say "You're wrong".
So, why do you think I'm wrong at the first place?

It's obvous I broke down your arguments, that's why you won't argue with me as I see it.

[stoneharry]

Azolexx, you can't state something as a matter of fact without a justification. Shows you as ignorant.

[The-Eradicator]

On the other hand, if people aren't willing to put in the effort to learn C++ they shouldn't be running a server.

I'm not saying Lua is bad because it has easier syntax, but i'm saying that basic C++ syntax being confusing to someone brand new shouldn't be a problem, since someone brand new shouldn't be running a server, or they should be able to put some effort into learning about it.

[Link_S]

The-Eradicator, you're probably right. But the Lua syntax is easier to understand than the C++ one.

When you start of a new server, or being a brand new member getting into the Emulation world. You will probably pick the one that's easiest for You to understand.

I have a gut-feeling this is going far out of topic :S

[Le Froid]

I think this should be locked or deleted since it looks like BrantX decided to use LUA..

BTW (since everyone else is OT)

Its syntax is easier to understand than C/C++.
Compiling is easier than C/C++ compilation.

1 - I find C++ syntax easier, its a lot more organized IMO
2 - hahahahaha

[stoneharry]

I think this should be locked or deleted since it looks like BrantX decided to use LUA..

Doesn't really matter - Emulator Server Discussions - Discussions about Emulation. No need to make a new topic to continue discussing this since this it's unneeded and this is still slightly related to on topic (talking about programming).

I still stand by Lua being the same good as C++ when it comes to doing in-game content. Lua is:
- Almost exactly the same fast as C++ (500v500 memory usage)
- Lightweight structure (makes scripting stuff a lot faster)
- The ability to hotfix (you can have developers change a Lua file much easier and in seconds, using a system such as dropbox, whereas using C++ you must replace the dll which is not that easy and would break using a system such as dropbox).
- Easy, it does what it says on the tin.

Although it would be nice if you could stop with the idiotic replies such as "Not arguing" "hahahaha" "wtf" instead of justifying yourself. I don't know about other people but I think this just shows you to be the typical young audience who is new to coding and thinks they know everything, when in fact they only know little C++ which is nothing. By all means prove me wrong. I bet you didn't even know it's possible to compile Lua.