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    [Info] Ascent, is it legal or illegal !? read about it here !

    Well as emu expert i know how complicated this discussion is for some people... i will make it verry clear here...

    1st part: Ascent Code/program and the development of it

    ascent does not copy any of blizzards code or what so ever so dont talk about DMCA and reverse engineering cuz this has nothing to do with it!
    why?
    Ascent on its own (without DB, DBC, Maps) works also and does NOT use any stuff created by blizz or does not steal any of blizz codes, its fully custom made program!

    well this part was for the ascent CORE/CODE
    ONLY so i did not talk about the use of it yet !
    As for this part the following is clear:
    -> Ascent code/program = legal
    -> Ascent development = legal

    2nd part: Use of ascent

    This part gets more complicated but is also verry easy to understand!


    -> When you use ascent for a public server you are doing illegal stuff!

    why? you are hosting stuff that blizzard owns (copyright etc)
    What stuff? the DB, DBC, map files are illegal now cuz you use them public wich makes you host blizzard content!

    -> When you are using ascent for private use there are 2 things to know

    --> using ascent with DBC,map,DB when you bought the game client is legal!

    Why? Becuz since you bought the client you have the right to take it appart (dbc, map extracting and use of models and other client stuff with DB) You are not hosting blizz content and by law you are allowed to play a game in anyway you like... you are not stealing stuff from blizz cuz you bought it!
    NOTE: letting friends play on LAN makes it illegal again !

    --> using ascent with a illegal copy of wow (warez) is illegal!

    why? you are now violating a lot of copyrights, hosting rights etc etc! (read the answer on previous why? question and take the opposite of it

    Extra

    ever noticed when you send blizzard questions about getting a emulator for private use? or if you ask about private servers....
    They always say stuff like:

    -> if you play/use private servers you are violating our terms!
    > they can only ban you from blizzard for that
    -> Private servers can steal your wow account! they can install keyloggers blablabla
    > scaring you so you wont use the ascent or whatever

    there are probably much more stuff like this... but NEVER they clearly mention that private servers are illegal

    for example here is a email i found on other forums:
    -----Original Message-----
    From: ******@******.com
    To: [email protected]
    Sent: 11/14/2007 10:55:45 AM
    Subject: Support - World of Warcraft - Other

    Name: Stupidfool
    Email: ******@*****.com
    Region: United States

    Account Information -----------------------
    Account Name: n/a
    Character Name:
    Realm: *Unknown

    System Information ------------------------
    System IP: 198.108.189.2
    System ISP:
    System Cpu Model: PC AMD Athlon XP
    System Cpu Speed: 2200+
    System Operating System: Windows XP Service Pack 2
    System Ram: 1024+MB
    System Sound Card: Other
    System Video Card: ATI Radeon x800

    Request ------------------------------------
    Product: World of Warcraft
    Category: Other
    Description:

    I was interested in ascentemu.com emulator, that creates a World of warcraft private server. im unsure if i was to install one of these servers would it abide to your leagle agreement?

    and the reply:
    Stupidfool,
    These emulators are not only against the Terms of Use and Toerms of Service, they can actually install keyloggers onto your system and steal you WoW information and get yout account permanently banned, not to mention the havic they can pull on your personal indentity. I would suggest contacting out Hack Team at [email protected] . I hope this answers your questions.

    If you have any further technical questions or problems, please feel free to contact us at [email protected].






    Regards,
    Dan M.
    Blizzard Entertainment Technical Support



    Customer satisfaction is a top priority here at Blizzard Entertainment, and we would like your feedback on the level of service you have received. Please feel free to provide such feedback at the following web address: <a href="http://us.blizzard.com/support/survey.xml?...****@******.com" target="_blank">http://us.blizzard.com/support/survey.xml?...****@******.com</a>

    this could be fake tough... but well all the other stuff are facts and real

    Now we conclude simply:

    -> Ascent code/development = legal
    -> public use of ascent is illegal
    -> private use of ascent with a illegal copy of wow is illegal!
    -> private use of ascent with a legal copy of wow is legal

    i even added green and red color for good and bad lol

    I hope this cleared up some messed up minds, discussions, ...
    This discussion is on so much emu forums and it is useless cuz things are clear!

    grtz



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    I have to disagree with
    Ascent code/development = legal


    Damn my font changed

    ..anyway I have to disagree because anything that can be used as an emulator for WoW is illegal. Although blizzard doesn't care and takes no action against it.

    Its illegal because I think in their legal stuff you don't have permission to write any code that can be possibly used to emulate or reverse engineer WoW

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    Im with Le Froid on this one.

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    Originally Posted by Le Froid View Post
    I have to disagree with


    Damn my font changed

    ..anyway I have to disagree because anything that can be used as an emulator for WoW is illegal. Although blizzard doesn't care and takes no action against it.

    Its illegal because I think in their legal stuff you don't have permission to write any code that can be possibly used to emulate or reverse engineer WoW
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    then i suggest you talk to ascent dev team... they can explain more details... (irc channel of ascent)
    it is not reverse engineering... and ascent cannot emulate wow... (it needs dbc files, map files and a DB...) that is what i think... but the topic i made with facts and real info.. i have read tons of shit in law, DMCA and stuff like that... i talked to developers and other people (no noobs ofc) and that is the info i used to make the topic...

    grtz

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    its complicated... but the conclussion is that the code is legal...

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    tbh i dont think any1 cares if its legal or not? blizz arnt really going to sue you as there are 1,000's servers out there
    If you need me you have my skype, if you don't have my skype then you don't need me.

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    nice nice mate /sticky




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    Originally Posted by Chrispee View Post
    nice nice mate /sticky
    /agree (Fillmeuptotopplease)
    I 'R' EPICNESS!

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    Hi Chrispee /wave, nice post Latruwski, +Rep
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    Alright so from what I understand Ascent CAN be legal if:

    You bought the game legally at a store, although YOU DIDN'T register an account. When you register a account, that's when you agree to the terms. So if you haven't signed/agreed and terms& agreements, then your fine because you never agreed to not making a emulated server.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, this sounds like something much too obvious.

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    Ok so Mafiaboy, are you saying that if I don't accept the terms, I can legally host a public server?
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    Originally Posted by mafiaboy View Post
    Alright so from what I understand Ascent CAN be legal if:

    You bought the game legally at a store, although YOU DIDN'T register an account. When you register a account, that's when you agree to the terms. So if you haven't signed/agreed and terms& agreements, then your fine because you never agreed to not making a emulated server.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, this sounds like something much too obvious.
    Not true :\
    Every patch no matter what realmlist it displays the ToS and EULA, so you have to agree to it.
    Also, if this was true what you were saying, every player needs to do that

    edit: oh yeah and douring installment they ask

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    Wow ok nevermind =D
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    lol i dont know whats good or wrong now :S

    Ascent or Blizzard ( i never went on real wow )
    Last edited by dotoriton; 01-10-2008 at 02:12 PM.

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    Latruswki , To play wow you have to do payment , and wow belong to blizzard.

    Anything that makes you create or play a server without paying is against them, therefor ascent is illegal.

    Although ascent is custom made , it does the same thing wow does and has , and thats what burlex is aiming for which is illegal..

    Ascent no matter what its said it will always be illegal no matter what , aswell as every single emulator out there.

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