Warden update

[Apoc]

@VesperCore; please leave, or fix your tools.

If you want to go into a scare-tactic to raise your bots awareness, feel free. But leave us out of it. If you want to make asinine claims that we're trying to hold on to our subscribers by scaring them into thinking they're not safe, then you have another thing coming. We don't just shut down our entire product just for the fun of it.

[VesperCore]

You could have figured out the 30 days period if you knew how warden works well enough.

Are you saying that you just cannot do anything for now and most of the bot community would receive a banwave ?

If it's the case, there is no 30 days delay, it would be this 31 july at most for this month. And as long as it remains not fixed, if a fix was needed.

@Apoc Just make sure your marketing guys say the true and all will be right. "We didn't have been targetted for over 3 years". The transparency is missing there and we all know that. Nothing else to add.

[raphus]

Are you saying that you just cannot do anything for now and most of the bot community would receive a banwave ?

If it's the case, there is no 30 days delay, it would be this 31 july at most for this month. And as long as it remains not fixed, if a fix was needed.

@Apoc Just make sure your marketing guys say the true and all will be right. "We didn't have been targetted for over 3 years". The transparency is missing there and we all know that. Nothing else to add.

Re-read our announcement. It says its the first change in *Warden* for over 3 years. It doesn't say we haven't been targeted over 3 years. You know the lua_load stuff was not a warden change, it was in the client itself.

All we can tell you is that, blizzard is into something and did changes to Warden a few days ago. I suggest you guys to rework your tools as you missed what happened.

[CurbStomping]

What portion of the legal battle prevents you from discussing the changes for at least 30days?

[VesperCore]

What portion of the legal battle prevents you from discussing the changes for at least 30days?

The legal battle against blizzard prevents them from discussing what they discovered at all.
The 30 days, is to reffer to the fact Warden accumulate infos on players and ban them all at the end of a month (known as banwave).

They have somehow a new version of the warden but they removed it due to instability, I don't have more infos nor proof, Bossland told me that, but ofc, he cannot disclose any infos on those modifications, but he said those was more powerfull that the usuals stuff, that's it.

[namreeb]

@Apoc Just make sure your marketing guys say the true and all will be right. "We didn't have been targetted for over 3 years". The transparency is missing there and we all know that. Nothing else to add.

Re-read our announcement. It says its the first change in *Warden* for over 3 years. It doesn't say we haven't been targeted over 3 years. You know the lua_load stuff was not a warden change, it was in the client itself.

This is precisely correct. I believe TOM_RUS was the first (to my knowledge) to notice the opcode named something like CMSG_CHECK_FOR_HONORBUDDY or whatever.

I don't know who you are but perhaps you should worry less about giving advice and more about paying attention to what you read before trying to help others.

[VesperCore]

This is precisely correct. I believe TOM_RUS was the first (to my knowledge) to notice the opcode named something like CMSG_CHECK_FOR_HONORBUDDY or whatever.

I don't know who you are but perhaps you should worry less about giving advice and more about paying attention to what you read before trying to help others.

The first time I heard about "SMSG_EnableHonorbuddyDetection" (without knowing what is it exactly though, because it could be a game feature after all) was from a guy working on a MoP emulator on the beta, he posted the list of opcodes name he dump'd to a pastebin on mangos forum (that was 2 to 3 weeks before HB seemed to know about this stuff(publicly?) as they turned on tripwire when they realized), it wasn't TOM_RUS, at least, not publicly, to talk about it. But I never seen TOM_RUS talking about it though. Calling it part of the warden or not depend on your conception of the warden, in a technical way, it's not at all related but focused HB in the past 3 years, in another way, you can simply define warden as the whole 'anti-cheat' system including sneaky change in the code like that, even if it's not run directly from the system formelly named "warden".

About now, there is no much to pay attention as "this version" of the warden have been temporarly removed from WoW and we don't have any publicly available informations soon, I don't know if JuJuBosc's WardenMon caught something or not, but if only HB did, then we cannot do anything for now, we cannot work on a ghost, so asking us to update our tools is kind of sarcastic to many of us, not just me and my bot, but anyone with a low competition bot that would recognize himself into my talking, if my actuals tools didn't see anything, that just could be because I don't have 10 thousands clients running US client within the 4 hours of a patch and/or they just didn't receive any warden checks, warden is not always ON on everyserver and sends stuff from time to time.


PS: I notice that this topic is just a waste of time as no "clear informations" are shared and the ones from HB just cannot be since Blizzard could use this into these trial against them.
If anyone out of Bossland GmbH got some informations, don't hesitate to share,but please, oh please, stop with "fix your tool or gtfo" because this is just a poor way of thinking regarding the situation explained above.

[raphus]

They started sending out new modules if you want to check them out yourself

[HI5]

Please keep the discussion civil everyone, as it's slowly starting to look like flaming.

[KuRIoS]

The first time I heard about "SMSG_EnableHonorbuddyDetection" (without knowing what is it exactly though, because it could be a game feature after all) was from a guy working on a MoP emulator on the beta, he posted the list of opcodes name he dump'd to a pastebin on mangos forum (that was 2 to 3 weeks before HB seemed to know about this stuff(publicly?) as they turned on tripwire when they realized), it wasn't TOM_RUS, at least, not publicly, to talk about it. But I never seen TOM_RUS talking about it though. Calling it part of the warden or not depend on your conception of the warden, in a technical way, it's not at all related but focused HB in the past 3 years, in another way, you can simply define warden as the whole 'anti-cheat' system including sneaky change in the code like that, even if it's not run directly from the system formelly named "warden".

He is the one who talked about it in a private section.

PS: I notice that this topic is just a waste of time as no "clear informations" are shared and the ones from HB just cannot be since Blizzard could use this into these trial against them.
If anyone out of Bossland GmbH got some informations, don't hesitate to share,but please, oh please, stop with "fix your tool or gtfo" because this is just a poor way of thinking regarding the situation explained above.

From what I can see, the only one with an attitude in this thread is you, throwing accusations around that this is a marketing scheme etc etc. It is only understandable that hb team cant post everything and it is not their fault either.


As hi5 said.
TO ALL
Keep a civil tone in here and stop throwing around ridiculous accusations, specially if they are against the ownedcore staff or the site itself, because then you will just be history here.

[VesperCore]

Here the new module dumped:
CDDD634976A2989CD49F703CC4147838C91B26DD.rar

not yet reversed.

Thanks to Sacred.

[Apoc]

Here the new module dumped:
CDDD634976A2989CD49F703CC4147838C91B26DD.rar

not yet reversed.

Thanks to Sacred.

GJ. As I said; fix your tools.

[Kinky]

I don't understand why this COMMUNITY is arguing like petty children. Everyone needs to relax, act their age and work with not against each other.

[VesperCore]

GJ. As I said; fix your tools.

No problems with my tool, as said, we don't have 10 000 guys playing on US to trigger the warden and most of the servers don't run warden for hours, so since it have been removed immediatly after they pushed, that's not a big issue, now we got it as it's staying.
You don't seems like the Apoc Neo2003 talked to me about, you seemd to have changed in a wierd way.

[Apoc]

Ok, I'll just let you continue on your path of "missing knowledge" then. Enjoy!