[Discussion] Ethics

[KuRIoS]

If you feel like you qualify for ELITE MEMORY EDITING then contact cypher, but requirements are strict and he needs to know that you can be trusted 100% . NO MORE about that section here, since it is not the place.

[Cypher]

Responding to a couple of deleted posts because I'm lazy (if you want to respond back, please do so via PM to ease the burden on Kurios):

@Suicidity (and others): You're welcome to apply (to me, via PM) and make your case (just examples of contributions, what you'd bring to the table, etc). I will of course review your posting history etc, but presenting it yourself makes my job easier and makes you look better. Please note though that whilst I currently hold "veto powers", I try to treat applications 'democratically', so it's not just up to me.

@DrakeFish: I'm yet to receive any of that code. Application denied!

Anyway, on topic:

I'm interested as to what people's thoughts are on cheat selling in general. Personally I think it's okay as long as it's your own work (i.e. not selling stolen code or copypasta). Being honest about security is also important, as we've all seen where lying gets you when everybody is pulling apart your shit (there were multiple separate examples of that a while back which I won't name, but I'm sure most of us remember).

[~OddBall~]

This is what the original thread boiled down to, and I agree with you that I don't think there should be double standards. If reversing WoW is okay, then reversing public WoW hacks should also be okay.

^ This! This is the point I believe I was trying to make in the thread and I think it's correct but to an extent. People shouldn't be posting source code of public programs that obviously do not want the source code public, but posting offsets or even saying how specific methods are implemented I think is fine.

In all honesty I can not be arsed to read all the replies here.
We dont want to see cracks here of any programs like glider, honorbuddy, ebuddy, yourmumbuddy or whatever. For me that means offsets used and source codes as well. I am sure that Apoc wouldnt want the HonorBuddy source code posted here either.
Nor do you guys want the stuff posted in elite memory editing section to be public to all.

@Drakefish: It may be doublestandards, but we are protecting a community and that is how it is done, you dont have to agree, but you have to obey if you wanna be here.
Because it isn't obfuscated well enough it is okay for people to rip and post? By that saying it would be okay for people to break into your home, steal your stuff and sell it on a yardsale next door, simply because your security wasn't good enough.

Regarding the other thread, it is not a discussion for anyone not being staff so it shouldnt be discussed here, though I can say that I soft deleted it(google that if u dont know what it means) because of reports regarding that thread and users posting stuff from a paid hack (which we dont want - Go to the lowlifers site if you want to use free hacks without supporting the devs).

EMU SERVERS: Wouldnt be here if it wasnt for reverse engineering, but does that mean that someone who opens up a succesfull custom made private server should be afraid of having "his" content ripped and posted here for someone else to post? Because his work is based on someone elses then why shouldnt he be the booster for other people as well? Isnt that what is going on with hacks and such?

Cypher and Apoc you know where I am if you wanna discuss it. By all means a crack of HonorBuddy posted on these forums would bring in tonnes more members, so it wouldn't be bad for us. I personally think it is a douchebag move, but if you wanna discuss it then lets go ahead

I agree with most of this, source code should definitely not be posted, but offsets I really don't think need to be kept private and I have no problem with people explaining methods of implementation people are using.

Interesting discussion but