Possible to get bustet while ReadProcessMemory?

[amadmonk]

Blizzard wouldn't want to ban all of the botters, especially not the majority (the copy-pasters)!

They love botters. Botters have multiple accounts and pay multiple subscription fees every month. Botters get 1-2 good ban waves a year and generally come right back buying even more new accounts.

Blizzard plays the role of moderating bot use, not eliminating it. I mean hell, it's not like they don't have the money to do whatever they want. With Glider and Innerspace out of the way (for the most part) there really aren't that many botters out there anymore, not as many as there used to be anyway.

You may be right about Blizzard not really wanting to get rid of all the botters. It's just that they have to SEEM like they're cracking down on it, and a banwave that hits 100k Glider users is the Blizzard equivalent of a 5 million dollar heroin bust; it doesn't change the underlying economics, it doesn't even affect the street price that much, but by god, it looks like they're DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

[RoKFenris]

Some more fun: check for key messages (WM_xxxKEYDOWN, WM_xxxKEYUP, etc.) that have "impossible" timing -- IE, keydown and keyup with 0ms time between them, or keydown and keyup with always exactly the same interval (50ms exactly?)

Even this little, seemingly harmless step, could give false positives. For example, I have an USB numeric keypad with a "000" key; the hardware actually sends either three or five sets of keydown and keyup messages at the same time when I press that key (five if the numlock is not active, because it sends the numlock, the three zeros and another numlock).

Another reason for they to not mess too much with input is that it could really hurt those who depend on input aids to play, and there are plenty of disabled people playing WoW. Blizzard has reaped some good rep because WoW is somewhat friendly to those players, and messing with their ability to play would easily revert that rep and then more.

[abuckau907]

@RoKFenris: so you mean when you press the '000' key, it's basically a macro that pushes 3-5 keys automatically for you? Not sure, maybe it was just a myth, but I've heard about people getting banned for using macro-like keyboards (Heard about it from my cousin..semi-reliable source)

Anyone else hear about getting in trouble over...super keyboards?

edit: I don't think that's what you meant, but I don't understand what would happen by pressing the '000' key...from what you said,
*press numlock* *press 0* *press 0* *press 0* *unpress numlock* ?

[amadmonk]

Even this little, seemingly harmless step, could give false positives. For example, I have an USB numeric keypad with a "000" key; the hardware actually sends either three or five sets of keydown and keyup messages at the same time when I press that key (five if the numlock is not active, because it sends the numlock, the three zeros and another numlock).

Another reason for they to not mess too much with input is that it could really hurt those who depend on input aids to play, and there are plenty of disabled people playing WoW. Blizzard has reaped some good rep because WoW is somewhat friendly to those players, and messing with their ability to play would easily revert that rep and then more.

Good point. I discovered today that pressing PrintScreen on my keyboard triggers two WM_SYSKEYDOWN's, and one WM_KEYUP, all with essentially 0ms delay between them.

Yeah, they're better off just not messing with input.

[RoKFenris]

@RoKFenris: so you mean when you press the '000' key, it's basically a macro that pushes 3-5 keys automatically for you? Not sure, maybe it was just a myth, but I've heard about people getting banned for using macro-like keyboards (Heard about it from my cousin..semi-reliable source)

Anyone else hear about getting in trouble over...super keyboards?

edit: I don't think that's what you meant, but I don't understand what would happen by pressing the '000' key...from what you said,
*press numlock* *press 0* *press 0* *press 0* *unpress numlock* ?

That is not a macro keyboard, just a $5 USB numpad (i.e., a little 19 keys USB keyboard with the normal keys of a numpad plus "=" and "000"). For every number key, if the numlock is off, it will send *press numlock* *unpress numlock* *press number* when I press them, and *unpress number* *press numlock* *unpress numlock* when I release them, each time with no delay between messages. The "000" key is a little different, it will send *press numlock* *unpress numlock* *press 0* *unpress 0* *press 0* *unpress 0* *press 0* *unpress 0* *press numlock* *unpress numlock* when pressed with the numlock turned off (with numlock on, there is no numlock press or release sent).

As for getting in trouble for using macro-capable keyboards, I think it's only an issue if you do act like a bot while using it. The one report I remember was from someone who claimed to be using the G15 macro functions while running WoW under Linux, which is an unlikely combination to say the least (there is no native G15 macro drivers for Linux, and although you can enable the G keys and bind macros to them using an open source driver and a few low level X tools, i.e., you do need way more technical knowledge to make it work under Linux than under Windows).

BTW, the reason I used that with WoW is that, under Linux, I'm able to capture events from any input device, including multiple keyboards and mouses, and, with the help of a few custom python scripts, bind them to macros that can be sent to whichever window I choose. Very hackish, but as a proof of concept I had two WoW windows open, two conventional keyboards each sending keypresses to one of the windows, and a third keyboard, the G keys of my G15, the standalone numpad, two PSX joysticks, a Logitech wireless rumblepad, a Momo wheel and a DDR pad sending different macros to both WoW instances simultaneously

[Eleky]

hey

unfortunately im not a nerd as you are. (correctly written?)

In case you do wanna learn a little bit of information about the rings he is talking about look at me link.

Ring (computer security) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[undrgrnd59]

I would bet that over 90% of banned people actually deserved it. Blizzard doesn't guess, they know.

[Nesox]

There has been one case where à person has gotten banned for using à logitech G15. Keyboard due to looking botish. Not sure where i read about it tho.

[cbraccia]

The only reason they ban botters is to keep the wow economy in game under control. Hence why even though servers vary in price its not often by 1000's.

[~OddBall~]

TBH i dont understand why you hate copy-pasters. Their bot is never going to be complex, always simple and as long as they don't sell it and thank those that they got the code from I can't see the problem. If you don't feel that thanks is enough for what you have posted, why post it?
Don't get me wrong I hate those that copy-paste and then attempt to sell it, but ye, private bots I really can't see the problem.

[Nesox]

If you copy paste code you wont understand it, you would cry when theres à new patch
and its not working anymore.

[~OddBall~]

If you copy paste code you wont understand it, you would cry when theres à new patch
and its not working anymore.

not true, i've never cried at a new patch, never made a post asking for help, i've just read and learnt progressively. I understand the majority of my code, there are bits and pieces that confuse me still but I'll learn.
I've learnt so much more through doing and trial and error than I ever have through reading.
I don't see what's so bad about it.