Kickmydog BM/MM/SV Hunter Profiles.

[monkeyjoe]

Serpent Sting should have a recast delay. As yet I can't do anything about the Steady Focus buff thing, because of what Expunge explains, if there is no Steady Focus buff up, the rotation will try and put it up. The buff doesn't go up until the 2nd steady shot hits, which is after the third cast of steady shot has begun. I'm still looking for a way to prevent this so I am open to ideas.

1) Important to note I have no idea what I am talking about with coding etc.
2) Can the profile check for the buff and if it finds it do a /stopcasting? Most of the healing profile do something similar to stop over-healing if the target health has changed by the end of the cast.

[Centralx]

Most of the time doing a stopcast will be a dps loss, if the cast is more than 1/2 complete. The only time people really did that in proper play was when moving broke steady shots, so you would just strafe and cast an instant.

[kickmydog]

Most of the time doing a stopcast will be a dps loss, if the cast is more than 1/2 complete. The only time people really did that in proper play was when moving broke steady shots, so you would just strafe and cast an instant.

Yes, it's going to be a dps loss either way, so you just have to eat it i'm afraid until someone comes up with a nifty way around the problem.

[Centralx]

This is just an observation of mine, but In the same gear, on a single target fight I am seeing SV perform way better than BM. This often shouldn't be the case, but is. I will have time this weekend to go over logs and figure things out, but if you would like I am ok with sending you logs privately to help improve this.

Edit: with the 2pc t16 I believe it is better to hold powershot until you are under rapid fire. Obviously this wouldn't be for everyone since everyone doesn't have tier, but could be something to look into.

edit2: I don't find the steadyshot problem above that large of an issue. like I mentioned above, it IS more of a dps loss to stop casting than to just cast an extra steady. The routine can only be so automated.

[kickmydog]

This is just an observation of mine, but In the same gear, on a single target fight I am seeing SV perform way better than BM. This often shouldn't be the case, but is. I will have time this weekend to go over logs and figure things out, but if you would like I am ok with sending you logs privately to help improve this.

Edit: with the 2pc t16 I believe it is better to hold powershot until you are under rapid fire. Obviously this wouldn't be for everyone since everyone doesn't have tier, but could be something to look into.

edit2: I don't find the steadyshot problem above that large of an issue. like I mentioned above, it IS more of a dps loss to stop casting than to just cast an extra steady. The routine can only be so automated.

It's relatively easy to code powershot to operate under those conditions, but I wonder if that would be a dps loss. If you want to try it out and report back I can PM you the code to replace,

[lazy1]

What spec is this doing better with BM or SV

[pocken]

Hey Kickmydog!
Love your BM profile, works like a charm

Tried to make A Murder of Crows to only be casted when RightShift is down (stack it with Stampede for insane burst).
Tried to add

 if IsRightShiftKeyDown() then return true
end

to it and set the Spell ID to 0 to disable automated casting.
When I did either of those things the rotation stopped working. Was looking like it was trying to cast a spell that I don't even know :|

Another reason I wanna add it to PushDown only is because it casts A Murder of Crows on larger health pools adds in SoO.

[expunge]

Hey Kickmydog!
Love your BM profile, works like a charm

Tried to make A Murder of Crows to only be casted when RightShift is down (stack it with Stampede for insane burst).
Tried to add

 if IsRightShiftKeyDown() then return true
end

to it and set the Spell ID to 0 to disable automated casting.
When I did either of those things the rotation stopped working. Was looking like it was trying to cast a spell that I don't even know :|

Another reason I wanna add it to PushDown only is because it casts A Murder of Crows on larger health pools adds in SoO.

RightShift is already bound to stampede, so you'd either want to combine the abilities into a single stampede / crow ability or change the key binding for crows.

[kickmydog]

Hey Kickmydog!
Love your BM profile, works like a charm

Tried to make A Murder of Crows to only be casted when RightShift is down (stack it with Stampede for insane burst).
Tried to add

 if IsRightShiftKeyDown() then return true
end

to it and set the Spell ID to 0 to disable automated casting.
When I did either of those things the rotation stopped working. Was looking like it was trying to cast a spell that I don't even know :|

Another reason I wanna add it to PushDown only is because it casts A Murder of Crows on larger health pools adds in SoO.

The spell id tells PQR what ability you want it to use. When you set it to 0 it doesn't know what to use so the whole rotation will stall. Change back to the correct id for AMoC.Once AMoC is off cooldown, the rotation will however work normally.

BTW this will result in significant dps loss, because as it stands the rotation is set to conserve focus to use AMoC when it is avialable. You will have to change a significant portion of the rotations code to get this to work.

[WebKill]

Hi there kickmydog;

First off I want to say thanks for your awesome profiles, I primarily play MM right now and pull great numbers.

One question I had (and sorry if this has already been answered), is if you have any desire to create a PQI config? Would be so much easier to reconfigure all the hot keys when you release a new version.

I had a couple suggestions for additions you might be interested in, as I was playing my WW Monk using Cuteone's profile I noticed the integrated interrupt which I really liked. After taking a look at how he accomplished it, I found one function that I really liked, and UnitCastingInfo("target") to see if the spell is interrupt-able. I think took it one more step to use Scatter Shot if Silencing shot is on CD (this is in the MM profile). I added the Check function to your --Functions section, then created a new ability called interrupts with this:

if UnitLevel("player") >= 32 then
	if select(9,UnitCastingInfo("target")) == false then
		if check("34490") then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo("34490"),"target")
		elseif check("19503") then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo("19503"),"target")
		end
	end
end

I was thinking of making 2 interrupt abilities, one with this for overall interrupting, then another that can be swapped out to only interrupt healing abilities to give some manual control over how the interrupts are used. With a Warforged assurance of consequence, silencing shot is at 16.6 second cd, so I don't mind letting it just go. I know this could be done just as easily without the Check function, but I found it to be a nice all inclusive function that seemed like it could be used across the board.

I was also noticing in a timeles isle rep farm group where it was just a few dps and a healer, that misdirect wasn't going off, I haven't tried this yet, but thought that this change might work to MS to pet in that situation?

if UnitIsPlayer("target") == 1 then return false end

local hastank = false

local InParty = GetNumGroupMembers()
if InParty == 0 
and UnitExists("pet") 
and UnitThreatSituation("pet","target") ~= 3 
then CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),"pet") else
    local groupType = IsInRaid() 
    and "raid" 
    or "party" 
    for i=1, InParty do
        local member = groupType..i
        if UnitGroupRolesAssigned(member) == "TANK" then hastank = true end
        if UnitGroupRolesAssigned(member) == "TANK" and check("34477")
        and UnitThreatSituation(member,"target") ~= 3 then
            CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),member)
        end
    end
end

if hastank == false and UnitThreatSituation("pet","target") ~= 3 then
	CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),"pet")
end

[kickmydog]

Hi there kickmydog;

First off I want to say thanks for your awesome profiles, I primarily play MM right now and pull great numbers.

One question I had (and sorry if this has already been answered), is if you have any desire to create a PQI config? Would be so much easier to reconfigure all the hot keys when you release a new version.

I had a couple suggestions for additions you might be interested in, as I was playing my WW Monk using Cuteone's profile I noticed the integrated interrupt which I really liked. After taking a look at how he accomplished it, I found one function that I really liked, and UnitCastingInfo("target") to see if the spell is interrupt-able. I think took it one more step to use Scatter Shot if Silencing shot is on CD (this is in the MM profile). I added the Check function to your --Functions section, then created a new ability called interrupts with this:

if UnitLevel("player") >= 32 then
	if select(9,UnitCastingInfo("target")) == false then
		if check("34490") then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo("34490"),"target")
		elseif check("19503") then
			CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo("19503"),"target")
		end
	end
end

I was thinking of making 2 interrupt abilities, one with this for overall interrupting, then another that can be swapped out to only interrupt healing abilities to give some manual control over how the interrupts are used. With a Warforged assurance of consequence, silencing shot is at 16.6 second cd, so I don't mind letting it just go. I know this could be done just as easily without the Check function, but I found it to be a nice all inclusive function that seemed like it could be used across the board.

I was also noticing in a timeles isle rep farm group where it was just a few dps and a healer, that misdirect wasn't going off, I haven't tried this yet, but thought that this change might work to MS to pet in that situation?

if UnitIsPlayer("target") == 1 then return false end

local hastank = false

local InParty = GetNumGroupMembers()
if InParty == 0 
and UnitExists("pet") 
and UnitThreatSituation("pet","target") ~= 3 
then CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),"pet") else
    local groupType = IsInRaid() 
    and "raid" 
    or "party" 
    for i=1, InParty do
        local member = groupType..i
        if UnitGroupRolesAssigned(member) == "TANK" then hastank = true end
        if UnitGroupRolesAssigned(member) == "TANK" and check("34477")
        and UnitThreatSituation(member,"target") ~= 3 then
            CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),member)
        end
    end
end

if hastank == false and UnitThreatSituation("pet","target") ~= 3 then
	CastSpellByName(GetSpellInfo(34477),"pet")
end

Thanks for your suggestion, I will look at it in detail tomorrow when I get some time.

In the mean while I have some major changes in the rotations in the work.

I was wondering if anyone has time if they could test them out. The changes apply for all 3 single target rotations.

KMD_All_Hunter_Rotations_v38beta

If you can run the original rotation first to say 100M or 200M hit points on a target dummy, and then run the new rotations for the same amount and report back the dps. That would be great.

Please indicate what spec you are using when posting pls.

NB. This is not a fully working rotation, don't use it for raiding.

[ozmodiar]

TLDR:
v37 BM: 189.4k
v38b BM: 194.8k

v37 MM: 229.9k
v38b MM: 228.8k

Testing on a 20% dummy is pointless since apparently Kill Shot's CD doesn't reset on dummies.

Details:
Class: Troll
Professions: Alchemy, Engineering
BM Talents: TotH, Blink Strikes, Glaive Toss
MM Talents: Fervor, Blink Strikes, Glaive Toss
iLvl: 561
Weapon iLvl: 567
4T16 bonus
Trinkets: normal AoC 2/2, HTF Renataki's 2/2
100 fps, ~60ms latency
No Stampede, Berserking, food buff, elixir, etc.
I don't know to what extent dummies can be affected by debuffs, but my pet is a Tallstrider, so consider 12% armor reduction from sunder.
stats:


v37 BM:
Results for 100% ?? dummy:
170.12M, 189.4k dps
RF Uptime: 31.6%


v38b BM:
Results for 100% ?? dummy:
161.08M, 194.8k dps
RF Uptime: 30.6%


v37 MM:
Results for 100% ?? dummy:
180.87M, 229.9k dps
RF Uptime: 28.3%


v38b MM:
Results for 100% ?? dummy:
164.51M, 228.8k dps
RF Uptime: 29.0%


Ignore these: vvv

[kickmydog]

TLDR:
v37 BM: 189.4k
v38b BM: 194.8k

v37 MM: 229.9k
v38b MM: 228.8k

Thanks, I still need some volunteers to test it. Looks like there might be an improvement on the BM profile, and 1k difference in MM, not sure if that was due to higher proc rates on your trinkets and stuff though. Please remove legendary gem helm, proc trinkets, and legendary cloak when testing to reduce RNG from procs. It will lower damage significantly but make the results more reliable.

The code I've put in is supposed to tighten up the rotations so that not so much time is wasted waiting on signature abilities. On your BM results it looks like it definitely increased the number of Kill Commands executed though. The same seems to have happened for Chimera Shots on MM. Please more testing, this is to improve the dps you guys can do with the rotation.

[mrleo]

testing now m8

[ozmodiar]

Another run with no item procs - no trinkets, no meta, no cloak, no scope.


~175M
37 MM - 205.5k
#Chimera: 82 #AI: 87 #AI!: 48
38b MM - 206.6
#Chimera: 78 #AI: 81 #AI!: 53

~225M
37 BM - 158.9k
#KC: 198
38b BM - 164.2k
#KC: 196