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    Originally Posted by isleview View Post
    i have double upgraded thunderforged.. not downed Heroic Quite yet.. BUT... I'm also Tailoring Profession --- With the Extra spellpower how is this going to beat a x2 the power CRITTING dot.. It'd have to be some massively stacked dots to do this.
    First of all after Perfect Aim goes down MG/DS don't proc CRIT dots.... one reason. and for second reasons I?m going to copy paste something what was posted on other forum so I don't have to rewrite someone elses findings.

    "I think it goes back to where you have this scenario...

    Unerring procs and you SB:SS your DoTs. Now they're critting 100% of the time. Then Wushoolay's is at an 8 stack, Tempus Repit procs, and Jade Spirit is live. Affdots reads 130 for Agony, UA, and Corruption indicating an increase in DoT power. Now you override your DoTs with a new SB:SS. All your procs fall off and Affdots reads something abysmal like 20. Now Unerring procs again....you'd have to choose to ignore it. Affliction DoTs don't benefit from Crit in the way Demo and Destro's do where they give you more resources or extra damage mechanics. They just do double damage. If you somehow got Unerring to line up with all those procs, hell yeah, you'd be golden. This happens at the beginning and then like 1/1,000,000 later in the fight. I just think Unerring provides too many complications for Affliction and isn't long enough to be truly beneficial for Destruction. Also remember that your mega DoTs are also capable of critting although at a less percentage, usually around 20% based on reforging. An empowered DoT crit > normal hit guaranteed proc. So the real umph from Unerring gets softened by the other snap-shotting capabilities of other trinkets, namely Wush and Breath."

    Do some real tests with both combination of trinkets on real fights not dummy and you will see the RNG UVLS puts affliction on. empowered dots when you have Lightweave,Jade Spirit and Woosholay and or Meta gem are doing much more damage then just UVLS. Do the math, put it on paper, watch logs and you will see. UVLS is good ONLY if it procs in a good moment together with some other INT proc. If you think you know something that others don't please tell us so we can put it in Simcraft and we can do the math your way.

    and btw you have approx 20% crit in raid, UVLS gives you 80% CRIT more, because Affliction doesn't benefit above 100% so it's not that much. Yes on pull you usually destroy the meter but rest of the fight is just plain lottery with 1/10000000 chance it will proc in a good time. God forbit it procs on phase where you are dpsing adds, or on iron quon on shield or something, pure dps loss.
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    It is rng based, but that's part of it. I see aff dots showing a "C" besides the power of dots and that indicated critted dots to me.. so i have no problem seeing the difference

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    Is it possible to have a pause rotation button implemented for manual casts, such as Soulstone or Shatter for emergencies? Sorry if I have missed a post concerning this issue before, and thanks for any help in advance!

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    Pause rotation added, you can now configure it in PQI
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    so any thoughts on 5.4 changes? I did some of calculations and it actually may be a dps boost depending what final change to Archimonde's vengeance will be.
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    from what i've read, it seems that Demo will dominate all other specs

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    I think arch venge will be the way to go.

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    Originally Posted by healzzz View Post
    from what i've read, it seems that Demo will dominate all other specs
    Affliction and demo will be pretty much the same, if not affliction slightly ahead. This is in the case that the Everlasting Affliction glyph is redesigned like planned, but regardless and with the affliction buffs cleave and single target should be very nice for both.
    Last edited by Kinkeh; 07-12-2013 at 10:07 AM.

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    Originally Posted by Kinkeh View Post
    Affliction and demo will be pretty much the same, if not affliction slightly ahead. This is in the case that the Everlasting Affliction glyph is redesigned like planned, but regardless and with the affliction buffs cleave and single target should be very nice for both.
    Glyph change? EEP what is that? And Demo will dominate with it's set bonus..

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    Originally Posted by isleview View Post
    Glyph change? EEP what is that? And Demo will dominate with it's set bonus..
    I think they mentioned it was going to be redesigned to accommodate the fel flame change not refreshing the dots, and unless they keep the current glyph's purpose along with that added or make another glyph, it will probably hurt Demo a decent amount on Cleave fights that last a while. Demo will probably be ahead, yes, but Affliction will still be very viable. Destruction with three-four havocs now will also be extremely viable.

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    This is just great, before last PTR build profile worked normally, now nothing works. I'm thrilled -.-
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    I'm having so much fun on PTR, I made changes acording to 5.4 patch and I must say affliction is way better now and pulling more stable and higher numbers. Estimated boost we get for now is more than 15%. And I still haven't implemented all of my ideas and trust me there are tons of them now.
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    I'm excited!! I like affliction way more than demo, this is good news. I have been rolling with your elite profile for a while now and I am always impressed.

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    Yeah I made some more improvements and I'm still testing it now, but it will be great. Tho I had some PQI issues lately dunno why.... must see what's happening
    And I rewrote profile for non english client users so that will be up in next update
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    Grimoire of Sacrifice (Affliction) now increases the power of many of your single target spells by 20%, down from 30%.
    Haunt now increases periodic damage, not all damage.

    Please blizz nerf us more, we so like to be on the bottom as a class that can't do anything else but DPS!
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