[Request] Subtlety Rogue PVE

[Neyia]

Hello,

I'm looking for a Subtlety Rogue 5.3 profile.

I have some special needs:

- Profile PVE with PQInterface

Settings:
- ShadowStep "on / off"
- Vanish "on / off"
- Choice of Poisons
- Backstab "on / off" (optional)

There's a very good profile that correspond loosely to those needs without Shadowstep unfortunately: (

Thank you


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Why Subtlety ?

Subtlety is the best rogue spec with 496 iLvL and more !
496 iLvL : http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic#496
502 iLvL : http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic#502
522 iLvL : http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic#522
Best in Slot : http://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings/realistic#BiS

Why ShadowStep ?

ShadowStep, in Subtlety, is more optimized than CnD because in the patch 5.3 CnD is disabled on ShD . But ShS working !
Moving faster = DPS Increased

-- ShS = ShadowStep
-- CnD = Cloak and Dagger
-- ShD = ShadowDance

Why on/off option for ShS ?

ShadowStep is very nasty on Jin'rock, Megaera and more, because he teleport you behind the target :
- Fail the buff in Jin'rock,
- Loss DPS for several seconds in Megaera, as long as the boss teleports us to the ground

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[shuklu]

I support this very much. Would be thankful if someone made a profile like that.

[fddbzz]

but but.. but... noxxic guide is just super inaccurate, and misleading...
Spec Score 25H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
SimulationCraft

[Neyia]

but but.. but... noxxic guide is just super inaccurate, and misleading...
Spec Score 25H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
SimulationCraft

but but but....
SimulationCraft (Website) is on Patchwerk style.
No really stable.

but but but....
SimulationCraft (Program) is on LightMovement style.
This is really stable.

but but but....
Sub spec is more hard to play correctly.
(18 World Down of Jin'rock 25H with Subtlety, so hard to play)

With my gear (498 iLvL) i have 102.542 DPS with Assassination and 106.842 DPS with Sub, on 50 000 iterations
Sub spec is more opti for me and my gear, and for my friend (528 iLvL).

The best rogue of <Envy> , Guild 25H 13/13
With 538 Gear:
Open 450k
250/300k Final fight
13/13 25H down with SUB spec

[fddbzz]

The best rogue of <Envy> , Guild 25H 13/13
With 538 Gear:
Open 450k
250/300k Final fight
13/13 25H down with SUB spec

u sure is sub spec?
Envy from EU@Kazzak?
they got 3 rogues, they are all raiding with Assassination spec.
Byo
Acidgurl
Dryaan
here's evny's guild log.. : http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/98215/
I really don't see any of their rogues raid with sub in their logs at all. and sorry 250k/300k is all in assassin spec.
Am i looking at the right envy guild?

edit: I'm pretty sure I'm looking at the right Envy guild, they are the only Envy that down 13/13H ToT. Still don't see any sub rogue.

[starl1te]

I can't really tell if Neyia is trolling or just really strange/misinformed, but Sub is the worst spec for PVE by an enormous, ridiculous margin. Sims have no connection to reality on this topic.

World of Logs - Real Time Raid Analysis

browse the parses for any of the 12 bosses on either normal or heroic, and look at the difference between the 3 specs. in many if not most cases sub is doing literally 1/2 the dps of assassination.

In any case try the sub profile in this post http://www.ownedcore.com/forums/worl...ted-5-3-a.html. it does fine, except on Tortos where it's nearly impossible to use backstab / ambush. PQR is not a bot, it just runs your rotation, you still need to do things manually like moving and targeting. There is no such thing as auto shadow step in Pandaria, nor would it make the slightest sense to code it. just shadowstep manually if you need to get to a target fast.

[fddbzz]

Yea, noxxic are just extremely misleading and inaccurate. Their data, their guide are so bad and bs, totally not reliable at all.

[vitalic]

Auto shadowstep is a terrible idea, what if you forgot to toggle it off and got ported into lava or something

To be fair to Neyia, Subtlety did just receive a major PvE buff (and a major PvP nerf ) and I'm not sure if the majority of those parses were pre-buff or post-buff, so it's possible the gap has been closed in theory. It would be better if you'd just made an honest request for a profile rather than making spurious claims about Subtlety being optimal though.

Also, why would Subtlety be any better than Assassination during light movement fights? If anything it would be worse surely as Subtlety has positional requirements whereas Assassination no longer does.

[Neyia]

A fight with light movement is such Jin'Rock.
And Jin'rock not prevent them from being killed in Subtlety, even if the boss must remain in the pool for the rogue can use Backstab by taking advantage of the bonus pool.
In the end, why Subtlety is worse than Assassination, when positioning criteria (for Backstab) are validated?

Sorry if my post semple confirm 100% that Sub is absolutely better than assasination, google translate is not perfect ..

What I'm trying to explain is that on my character and that of two of my friends, subtlety offers more DPS than assassination of bosses not very complicated, as Jin'rock

We have a highly optimized equipment (9600 crit on my rogue) which is also annoying to play assassination, optimization mastery over our equipment is quite complex

For the moment we all play in assassination with your profile and the Shadowstep on a button on our mouse, but it would be really interesting to play subtlety with a very stable profile than yours for many fight in the game (not only in ToT)

[fddbzz]

Even for Jin Rokh, currently sub spec is still not a good spec for raiding.
I have to admit that sub spec is so much better when come to burst, but not in long term fight like in raid, I use sub spec for dailies because it takes 2-3 hits (especially with mark of death) to finish a mob which makes the dailies goes extremely fast, and for PVP that's it.
here is all the parses comparing 3 different spec of rogues in ToT JinRokh fight. Assassination spec is currently still the way to go.
10man Jin'rokh the Breaker 10N - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
10man Heroic Jin'rokh the Breaker 10H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
25man Jin'rokh the Breaker 25N - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
25man heroic Jin'rokh the Breaker 25H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds

[Feldeath]

The problem with all your theories as to why Sub suxx in raid is because you look at the LFR parses.
99% of the rogues running SUB in LFR or even ToT 10 nm are full pvp and generally not giving a f**k about their DPS
Plus the fact that SUB got up, then it might very well be as viable as the other specs now.
Just need to try to see how it compares

[fddbzz]

The problem with all your theories as to why Sub suxx in raid is because you look at the LFR parses.
99% of the rogues running SUB in LFR or even ToT 10 nm are full pvp and generally not giving a f**k about their DPS
Plus the fact that SUB got up, then it might very well be as viable as the other specs now.
Just need to try to see how it compares

10man Jin'rokh the Breaker 10N - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
10man Heroic Jin'rokh the Breaker 10H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
25man Jin'rokh the Breaker 25N - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds
25man heroic Jin'rokh the Breaker 25H - DPS Bot - RaidBots - Web Tools for WoW Nerds

LFR parses?they are 10/10H/25/25H.
I don't use LFR parses.

[Feldeath]

Yeah, to be honest I didn't check them out, I just open 2 at random in heroics mode and Sub wasn't really far behind, even though it was a bit.
But then again, it was just up at 5.3, proof is for 5.3 in T14 Heroics gear, Sub beats Assa :

SimCraft 5.3 - T14H

So not really useless

[anon667]

Check this thread out, Subtlety PvE in Heroic Throne (13/13, 25m) - Page 2
It has info from a guy that tried it, should be helpful.

[Neyia]

Check this thread out, Subtlety PvE in Heroic Throne (13/13, 25m) - Page 2
It has info from a guy that tried it, should be helpful.

Dryaan <Apex> clean ToT 25HM (13/13) with Subtlety too, and on the Stream this is a really challenge.
But, I dont understand your FEAR to create a Subtlety profile.
Those who have trouble with Sub remain in assassination and those who like the challenge they go Sub.

The Rogue PVE:

- Combat is broken, and honestly it's not so bad, this specialization is just trolol.
- Assassination is overused and boring.
- Subtlety have same (or better) DPS than Assasination, but nobody wants to try it wet.

It might be time to not be a sheep, and this apart from other rogues, no ?