IP Ban theory.

[BultiZ]

Atleast here in sweden, cell phone operators gives same IP to like the whole network (probly some load balancing)

But why arent ppl in sweden, playing on 3G/4G getting IP Banned?

[BodyU]

Maybe cuz of device ID

[Ripper3]

So, all we'd need is a VPN to Swedish cell phone network and we could be back to running 100 bots on one pc!

Let's go

[zerospec0]

So, all we'd need is a VPN to Swedish cell phone network and we could be back to running 100 bots on one pc!

Let's go

Can someone get on this haha, seems like this deserves a go

[BultiZ]

Carrier-grade NAT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is some more info on the technique i think they are using


But if its Device ID? if some1 bots on the cell phone operators ip adress, it will stop working for every1 in the town? something smells fishy here ?

[BultiZ]

And if u bot too much on cell phone operators IP, the whole operators IP span will get perma banned? ... nah i dont think so... there is something else to this...

[spyder753]

Just a quick spin off question.

If I create 12 VMWare VM's with the same windows OS will they all be seen as the same device ID? does it matter if they where clones or fresh installs?

[Fadelol]

Carrier-grade NAT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is some more info on the technique i think they are using

But if its Device ID? if some1 bots on the cell phone operators ip adress, it will stop working for every1 in the town? something smells fishy here ?

Yes they are using CGN. So does many ISPs. Bredband2 for example uses CGN in some areas (f.ex. for students). And yes this means there is most likely more to it than banning just the IP-address. But it is not entirely related to the device ID either.

Just a quick spin off question.

If I create 12 VMWare VM's with the same windows OS will they all be seen as the same device ID? does it matter if they where clones or fresh installs?

It depends on your bot setup. The device ID is not the machines actual device ID but a spoofed device ID that you can set in the settings for each bot.

[spyder753]

It depends on your bot setup. The device ID is not the machines actual device ID but a spoofed device ID that you can set in the settings for each bot.

So, I don't think PF has that option. Sigh.... Necro isn't supported anymore so it is only a matter of time before it goes down. What do you recommend?

[BultiZ]

Yes they are using CGN. So does many ISPs. Bredband2 for example uses CGN in some areas (f.ex. for students). And yes this means there is most likely more to it than banning just the IP-address. But it is not entirely related to the device ID either.

Exactly my point, i have hard to belive that only the IP adress is what makes u soft/hard banned

[Fadelol]

So, I don't think PF has that option. Sigh.... Necro isn't supported anymore so it is only a matter of time before it goes down. What do you recommend?

I still use Necro. It works fine. Otherwise GoManager has it's own Necro fork. PokeMobBot is also actively developed. The later seems to be the one most human like settings but GoManager is great for running multiple accounts.

[Fadelol]

Exactly my point, i have hard to belive that only the IP adress is what makes u soft/hard banned

There are plenty of possibilities, but one way to do this is to do an arp -a and resolve the MAC-address of the gateway NIC (LAN) as well as the GW-address(LAN) and do something like; if you receive an IP-address in the RFC1918 space, ban all users connecting with the MAC-address of the GW for that RFC1918 space for x time. They probably do it some other way, I'm just trying to think of possibilities

[mr.milkbottle]

Atleast here in sweden, cell phone operators gives same IP to like the whole network (probly some load balancing)

But why arent ppl in sweden, playing on 3G/4G getting IP Banned?

Really?
(2^16) or 65535 that should be maxnumber of ports connected to a IP?
So in Sweden there are NEVER more than 65535 smartphone users? (If 1 IP)

You do get some IP when connected to the 4G network. Example, using LTE-modem (4G USB modem connected to computer)

IP Block dedicated to Sweden.
Major IP Address Blocks For Sweden
Sweden - IP Addresses by Country

[Fadelol]

I don't think he meant one single IP-address for all of their clients, more that they use NAT and that multiple users share the same public IP-address. Look at Hi3G (Tre) for example. They have over a million customers in Scandinavia. Most of them being in Sweden, above 900 000. Their blocks actually contain about 900 000 IP-addresses but the number of connected devices are most likely significantly higher. But they most likely also divide these into regions etc. It's obvious some type of NATing is used. You for sure get an IP-address when connected to your carrier, but it is most likely in the RFC 1918 space or similar (i.e. not public). For example, if you receive an address in any of the following ranges:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255

Then you are not receiving a public IP-address and is being NAT:ed.

[BultiZ]

I don't think he meant one single IP-address for all of their clients, more that they use NAT and that multiple users share the same public IP-address. Look at Hi3G (Tre) for example. They have over a million customers in Scandinavia. Most of them being in Sweden, above 900 000. Their blocks actually contain about 900 000 IP-addresses but the number of connected devices are most likely significantly higher. But they most likely also divide these into regions etc. It's obvious some type of NATing is used. You for sure get an IP-address when connected to your carrier, but it is most likely in the RFC 1918 space or similar (i.e. not public). For example, if you receive an address in any of the following ranges:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255
172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255

Then you are not receiving a public IP-address and is being NAT:ed.

Exactly, not all users in sweden have same IP, but my guess is there could be thousands using each public ip, and they dont get IP banned?