What is more secure - xposed phone GPS Spoof or Memu Emulator?

[decsis]

So nox has been proven very unsecure. Haven't heard of many people who got banned for using phone GPS Spoofing like xposed and hide mock location.

What about memu emulator? Does its GPS/satellite information look less suspicious than nox?

phone vs memu, what's more secure for using manual gps walking inside the country?

[Zamock]

So nox has been proven very unsecure. Haven't heard of many people who got banned for using phone GPS Spoofing like xposed and hide mock location.

What about memu emulator? Does its GPS/satellite information look less suspicious than nox?

phone vs memu, what's more secure for using manual gps walking inside the country?

Both methods have about the same probability of being banned.

The problem with spoofing is that your smartphone GPS is not really being used(satellite is not sending data) . This way niantic can see in theirs logs that your GPS sensor is returning zero values. So it does not matter whether you are using Emulators spoofing or smartphone spoofing. They look the same to Niantic.

Its hard to say but botting future of pokemon go is really cloudy right now.

[decsis]

Hmm ok that's sad. Thanks.
Just hard to believe that there is really no way of detection proof GPS spoofing...by ..I don't know, I'm a horrible programmer, adding some kind of offset to the real GPS signal on driver/OS API level so it matches up to the chosen location, or feed the altitude etc. with pseudo random information so it looks less suspicious.

I mean..the "bad guys" usually are always a few steps ahead the good ones.

[Insanefury]

Both methods have about the same probability of being banned.

The problem with spoofing is that your smartphone GPS is not really being used(satellite is not sending data) . This way niantic can see in theirs logs that your GPS sensor is returning zero values. So it does not matter whether you are using Emulators spoofing or smartphone spoofing. They look the same to Niantic.

Its hard to say but botting future of pokemon go is really cloudy right now.

I would say this is a bit misinformed opinion. As a mobile developer Nintac has no access to the actual GPS sensors. They have access to a function which requests GPS data from the OS, the OS actually aggregates data from Wifi, Cell, GPS and Bluetooth to determine position and returns a simplified value. GPS spoofers such as xposed actually modify the OS functions and replace the return value of that function so Nintac can not actually differentiate between fake value and real values since they are returned by the same function. Only way Nintac can determine if they are fake is on behavior such as speed, orientation, elevation and other meta data etc...

TLDR Nintac cannot differentiate spoofed coordinates if done correctly.

Anecdotally, I have an account running on a android device been botting since first week using combination of xposed GPS spoof and scripts. Still running today. Right now it's testing leveling speed using bubble strat

[decsis]

I would say this is a bit misinformed opinion. As a mobile developer Nintac has no access to the actual GPS sensors. They have access to a function which requests GPS data from the OS, the OS actually aggregates data from Wifi, Cell, GPS and Bluetooth to determine position and returns a simplified value. GPS spoofers such as xposed actually modify the OS functions and replace the return value of that function so Nintac can not actually differentiate between fake value and real values since they are returned by the same function. Only way Nintac can determine if they are fake is on behavior such as speed, orientation, elevation and other meta data etc...

TLDR Nintac cannot differentiate spoofed coordinates if done correctly.

Ok this is actually what I expected (or hoped) how these spoofers would work.

So it means we actually have to walk on streets, not cross rivers, buildings etc. to stay safe or what do you mean by "done correctly"?

[itan]

so xposed + memu should be a good combiation for spoofers?

[furiez]

If that is true android GPS spoofing should be quite safe as long as you don't teleport, run at the speed of light etc. no?

As gps isn't that much of an accurate technology, they cannot ban too offensively in order to keep the false positive rate low and I highly doubt they are doing collision detection and stuff like that, as this would probably kill the performance and suffer from outdated maps (according to pokemon go / ingress, I'm living on a green field) etc..

[Insanefury]

Meaning the programmer replaced all the values correctly or at least within the margin of error and doesn't rubber-band you. Since every phone is different with varying levels of accuracy he has a lot of leeway with that. As a user it also just means not spoof distances outside of norm such as other countries within an hour etc. Nintac is not tracking roads bridges and rivers, that'd be silly

[Zamock]

I would say this is a bit misinformed opinion. As a mobile developer Nintac has no access to the actual GPS sensors. They have access to a function which requests GPS data from the OS, the OS actually aggregates data from Wifi, Cell, GPS and Bluetooth to determine position and returns a simplified value. GPS spoofers such as xposed actually modify the OS functions and replace the return value of that function so Nintac can not actually differentiate between fake value and real values since they are returned by the same function. Only way Nintac can determine if they are fake is on behavior such as speed, orientation, elevation and other meta data etc...

TLDR Nintac cannot differentiate spoofed coordinates if done correctly.

Anecdotally, I have an account running on a android device been botting since first week using combination of xposed GPS spoof and scripts. Still running today. Right now it's testing leveling speed using bubble strat

You do have a point Insanefury. Thank you for your contribution, but you are a bit misinformed as well. Actually my comment was targeted more at a bot perspective, but even so, its not so simple as you make it sound. The last pokemon go patch 0.31 introduced an anti-cheat system that i believe you are well aware, the U6(Unknow6) hash. The system proved to be a strong opponent do defeat as you can see in this graphic posted in niantics blog right after patch release.



But a few days after patch release U6 Team was able to crack the new system and made the API available to everyone where bots and tools restored their functionality. But they did not cracked de code fully. In the process of cracking the algorithm the discovered that android systems would send RAW gps data to niantic such as satellites in view, satellites angle, elevation and etc to Niantic, and that part they could not fully crack to make it look exactly like a legit device. The algorithm returns valid responses but not necessarily perfect. The admin of the group said himself that kind of information its not easy to fake. Actually, faking an apple device is more secure than an android because of this flaw. More information here: Link1 and here Link2

Xposed module may enable you to replace the return values of GPS accurately so that Niantic wont note the difference but that would still require you to root the device right? Rooted devices are naturally suspicious. Just look at the graphic again. Niantic has collected an immense database of game usage. It only takes a bit of data cross reference to Niantic conclude that you are running a spoofer. So my opinion is still the same. Both methods end up in the same place.

[caiobortoli]

Quality discussion goin' on here +rep to both you guys

[Jumanfreez]

Luckily there is RootCloak and Hide Mock Locations

[cajuputi]

Luckily there is RootCloak and Hide Mock Locations

You don't really read clearly, do you?
Will hide mock location enable you to send fake raw gps data?

[kaneshshiro]

i always use fly gps till now , not banned.

[Durry]

Quality discussion goin' on here +rep to both you guys

i second this. finally a thread with some ****ing insight instead of:

"DNT BOT U BE BANNED SOON... NO MATTER 30K EXP NO MATTER TELEPORT U BANN PROXY...SRRY FOR ENGLISH..."

[zorndyke]

Hiding phone identity could triger their alarm. It seems android 'talk too much' about our device.