All bots being down post up here/theory

**Drakke421** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by wedoxlol

how did you update PoGo with Nox ?

Link here to new apk working on Nox

**zxa** · 08-03-2016

Except for Niantic doesn't give two shits about refunds. On the android play store all refunds are payed for by google. App developer is not negatively effected at all.

**EnzaDenino** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by dinfo_Pokemon

Hey guys,

You can try this application for Pokemon Go, which can show the exact location of every pokemon around you

Link:

strong username to app name correlation ratio

**jakesmurf** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by Kesx

I'mma repost this cuz closed thread.

I'm in the same believing as this guy.

"1. There is a Visa 30 day window to contest charges, as well as a window of time to request chargebacks through the playstore and iTunes store. Niantic wants to make sure they have cleared all refund windows, and milked cheaters of what they will pay to get ahead of other cheaters (constant eggs, incense purchases, inventory upgrades, etc). Likely you're looking at another 15-30 days minimum just purely looking at the micro-transaction end of things.

Notice Pokemon Go release date 6 July.

2. Cheaters are modifying the way Pokemon appear. If cheaters disappear all in one go, the geographical distribution of how Pokemon appear will become different. Legit players will suffer since less Pokemon will spawn (less players in that area). The whole "I'm legit grinding it out here in the city" is nice and all, but you probably have 100+ spoofers that are making those Pokemon spawn for you.

3. Niantic needs to come up with a number of updates to make the game interesting again. This means changing the way Pokemon spawn and are found, adding new features, balancing, etc. If cheaters are removed from the game, they are taking out a huge base of players that likely won't come back to the game except to try to cheat again. Bad for business. They need the game to stand up on new merits before they do a banwave.

As soon as Niantic starts rolling out some great new features, banwaves are in motion. Trading won't be implemented until banwaves occur. Bots will be bots, banwaves don't get them all, and new stuff pops up, but the 'Warden' will get activated as soon as trading is implemented. Time will tell if they mark Pokemon back to the account that caught them for 'poofing'.

If anything I said ends up being untrue, the game will continue to burn to the ground."

Quote Canadian_Man

Pretty sure you're basically wrong on all the points you're trying to make.

1) This is terrible logic. Niantic isn't waiting for sales to clear before issuing bans. It's not like everybody dropped a hundred note on the game at launch day and will never re-up again. Most people are probably periodically spending more money on the game if they're inclined to do so, so there would never be an opportunity to ban someone outside of a chargeback window. Additionally, 95% of botted accounts probably never buy anything. Bots have no issues with Pokeball shortages or frustrations with low XP rates or a need for incense and lures. Additionally, you're not even right about the time limit at least in the USA. US Federal Law gives you 60 days post mark to dispute a credit card charge, and most credit card companies provide better protections than those required by law.

2) I believe it's relatively common knowledge that Pokemon do not spawn based upon the game's collected user activity. Most Pokemon spawn points are predetermined based on some cellular data usage map information and I believe that remains relatively static.

3) Sure, there's been a lot of hate for Pokemon Go, but I think you believing the game is dying has to do with confirmation bias between you and other botters. A lot of my friends that play legit are still thrilled with the game because they just made it to level 20 and have 70 Pokemon or something and exciting stuff is still happening. Most of the casual players I've talked to still experience excitement for the game because it hasn't been trivialized for them by a bot yet. Additionally, if you never buy anything from Niantic because you have a bot that provides for all your needs, they don't care about you. We're not an important part of their player base, we don't spend money in the store, we have a negative impact on the game experience for people who are more inclined to spend money, and we have a disproportionately high strain on their servers because we probably issue 100x the API calls as the normal player does with a legit client. There is absolutely no reason that Niantic wouldn't ban us other than the most likely answer: They don't really have the resources to mess with it right now.

**UntilDeath** · 08-03-2016

The thing is folks, however that it is slow, pokecolor bot works perfectly fine xD

**starl1te** · 08-03-2016

Via Necrobot:

Niantic has now began to obfuscate the API answers. This means that we will need to update the POGOProtos and implement the new hash b1f2bf509a025b7cd76e1c484e2a24411c50f0612.

Reverse Engineering an App with SSL Pinning is hard to do, thanks to git user rastapasta & cstrachan88 we able to bypass these security measures.

Niantic took a big step to block Bots. But we are sure this is bypassable.

Sorry for the inconvienience.

**mpslayer** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by dinfo_Pokemon

Hey guys,

You can try this application for Pokemon Go, which can show the exact location of every pokemon around you

Link:

Do not trust this link, report it.

**n0aim1** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by zxa

Except for Niantic doesn't give two shits about refunds. On the android play store all refunds are payed for by google. App developer is not negatively effected at all.

Google compiles a list of refunds and charges that refund plus a bonus to Niantic. So they do give a ****, believe it.

**mewsupe** · 08-03-2016

yesterday the same no usable pokestops message happened as if the servers were down, however I tried other bots and it worked well (also changing coords seemed to fix the problem) until 20 minutes after. Seems like the api has been changing and reverting back from niantic? (other players didnt notice the problem until today) I am quite confused as why this happened yesterday before the servers being down were announced.

**Greninjax** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by iHani

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Can't be logged in from mobile app…Seems like that it's just simply unstable of servers, instead of API changed.

its already confirmed an API issue

**jakesmurf** · 08-03-2016

Originally Posted by mewsupe

yesterday the same no usable pokestops message happened as if the servers were down, however I tried other bots and it worked well (also changing coords seemed to fix the problem) until 20 minutes after. Seems like the api has been changing and reverting back from niantic? (other players didnt notice the problem until today) I am quite confused as why this happened yesterday before the servers being down were announced.

Pretty sure there were two rounds of changes being made. Yesterday people started notice an IP-ban coming through for machines/IPs that were running too many API requests. This was almost strictly for people running a bunch of bots at once.

Today the whole system went down with API/SSL changes and no bots could function regardless of API request limits etc.