Where's all the good MMORPGs?

[Fisher]

Hey everyone,

So is this just me or does gaming world have less and less to offer? A small intro, I'm a really really REALLY old school gamer and I'm very specific when it comes to choosing a game. So recently I had some spare cash and I was like "okay, lets shop for a nice pvp game, destroy some NAWBZ knawimean". But the thing is - there aren't any. My style is very specific. I'm looking for a specific kind of PVP, something like Lineage 2 Interlude had to offer. I'm gonna break down a few popular games, just to avoid "omg play XY dude" and get a real discussion going on as to where the gaming world is headed:

- World of Warcraft
Face it, game died. Come Cataclysm, some even claim Lich King, game died. Damn Athene doesn't play it anymore, is it realistic to expect other people to actually pay for it? Game's broken, more botters then ever, Blizz lost 2mil subs but they like "that was intended" and say nothing about plans to recover those players. I could go on and on how WoW is broken, but you read this forum, you know.

- Guild Wars 2
This one makes me lol. They make you level like a mad man, get gearz or w/e, so you can play a 120v120v120 battle which you can't even play, since your FPS is stuck to 0 (don't you dare call my PC old) and besides, its not PVP that matters, but PVE, all those nice shiny events and crap nobody cares about. I know a bunch of HC gw1 players that quit gw2 since its too much PVE focused.

- Tera
This is questionable. The reason I even bothered to download this is because a mate told me its similar to Lineage 2 play style, meaning you can pretty much kill anyone whos out of town. Now this is something I like, no pvp ranking or whatever, pure pvp, why? Because its fun to drop someone and make them break their keyboard. You gain nothing from PVP, so it doesn't matter if you can play only 2 hours today or 20. They even got a nice balanced cash shop, where you buy mounts and shiny stuff. However, the questing is so Aion. I could make it to lv 20, but then the crap starts. Mobs become harder to kill, you can maybe pull 2-3 but not more, quests are all the same and take you literally forever. That's hell of a lot PVE in order to get to PVP. Also, no boosting. I think I tried every exploit google could think of, and still, I'm stuck at lv 25, resting my char for few days, burning rested exp, then going off again. One more thing that's horrible is level balance. No matter what you do, lv 24 can't kill lv 26. The end. Some other games support your skills, if you got them, you just might be able to drop higher levels.

- Aion
I fell asleep to lv 9 on 100x server. All there is to it.

- Diablo 3
There's no PVP. Blizzard is braindead.


I turn to google. I google literally this: "top 5 pvp mmorpgs". I get nothing. What's mentioned up, maybe 1-2 dead games I didn't really think of. No planned releases, nothing promising, nothing. No new games! People recommend stuff like "Go play lol" or "Go play dota" or "Path of exile is decent". So what the hell happened? Why did they just give up on everything? But to look at a different side, there's no other good games out there! Counter Strike 1.6, killed with last patch, Crysis 2 disbalanced MP 6 hours of SP (lmfao) not worth the money, Tomb Raider same, Black Ops 2 same, anything basically is garbage. Single players become easier and easier, no more real challenges, and multiplayers either have no pvp (SLAP BLIZZARD) or its utterly disbalanced.

So I think to myself, okay, maybe you are looking for it on the wrong platform. Lets check something else, like Android. There's a few more then decent games out there, some are even free like Heroes of Order and Chaos and Shadowgun: Dead zone. But that's all they are, decent. There's a lot more influencing your outcome, other then your skills: lag, phone lag, idiots you play with, opponents lag and so on.

So..What to play and why is gaming on the down low? Why the **** doesn't a company run $100 mil into a game and make something good? APB tried it, they failed, but at least they tried.

/discuss and I swear I will nuke all tl;drs.

[Unscrupulous]

Elder Scrolls Online?

[Fisher]

Elder Scrolls Online?

Haven't tried yet. Gonna look into it

[Harambeqt]

- World of Warcraft
Face it, game died. Come Cataclysm, some even claim Lich King, game died. Damn Athene doesn't play it anymore, is it realistic to expect other people to actually pay for it? Game's broken, more botters then ever, Blizz lost 2mil subs but they like "that was intended" and say nothing about plans to recover those players. I could go on and on how WoW is broken, but you read this forum, you know.

The game never died, and who the hell cares about Athene? He has never been good at any game and he was exploiting a lot in wow.
And its not easy to make a game and hold players for 6 - 7 years, Blizzard have done a great job actually. And yes there are too many botters I myself have botted so I can't really complain about it but other peoples botting has never affected me except for battleground bots when I'm not in the arena.

People are just stuck in the past (like me) "oh vanilla was so damn good" - was it really?... No it was something new, something else than the old crap MMO games that's what made it better and more fun, same with burning crusade (the first exp/dlc).

The community in world of warcraft is good aswell if you compare it to League of complainers (Legends) everyone's got lag (apparently - when they die), everyone is diamond division and the best player on the planet, and teamwork is a myth.

[Thaadevil]

Go play private servers for WoW, there's your mmorpg ^^)

[Fisher]

The game never died, and who the hell cares about Athene? He has never been good at any game and he was exploiting a lot in wow.
And its not easy to make a game and hold players for 6 - 7 years, Blizzard have done a great job actually. And yes there are too many botters I myself have botted so I can't really complain about it but other peoples botting has never affected me except for battleground bots when I'm not in the arena.

People are just stuck in the past (like me) "oh vanilla was so damn good" - was it really?... No it was something new, something else than the old crap MMO games that's what made it better and more fun, same with burning crusade (the first exp/dlc).

The community in world of warcraft is good aswell if you compare it to League of complainers (Legends) everyone's got lag (apparently - when they die), everyone is diamond division and the best player on the planet, and teamwork is a myth.

You can always compare to something far worst and say "Awesome job". Blizz game is falling appart and thats a fact. I stated Athene as he made actual money from WoW and he quit it. Since game sux.

[Harambeqt]

You can always compare to something far worst and say "Awesome job". Blizz game is falling appart and thats a fact. I stated Athene as he made actual money from WoW and he quit it. Since game sux.

He made money from exploiting the game and getting carried in the arena.
Why does it suck? Do you have any arguments instead of just saying that its a shitty game and blizzard are stupid?

[Smoogels]

I would not say WoW has "died". It's still the top dog in MMORPGs by a considerable amount and has aged very well. Not many games can stay as popular as WoW for that many years. I personally stopped playing that game many months ago. I grew bored and barely touched Cataclysm, but it's not a dead game.

Sadly, I guess we must just wait to see if anything decent is released in the coming months/years.

[fredalbob]

Neverwinter, ArcheAge, and FFXIV: ARR
I've played both Neverwinter and FFXIV: ARR in the betas and can tell you they're great.
ArcheAge looks really fun and there's a lot of hype for it.

[Darknights]

There's a new game called destiny being advertised by bungie to come out within the next few years. Looks pretty exciting, some sort of open world multiplayer futuristic game. Sounds pretty good to me. Awaiting more firm ideas of where the game is actually going though

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/...bungie-destiny

[Futile570]

Look into Destiny, Fisher. I'm trying to not get my hopes up that much, but it looks promising.

Edit: It may just be that nothing can hold your interest like games did in the past. I've been feeling the same way; it's not that I don't 'like' the new games coming out, I just can't bring myself to invest any time into them.

[cdonis84]

Wildstar is gonna be epic

[Futile570]

I looked up Wildstar, looks pretty good, but we'll see during the test of time. Signed up for beta though

[AndreaTop]

Shroud of the Avatar: Forsaken Virtues by Portalarium, Inc. ? Kickstarter

here's the mmorpg.

[Schonarch]

All of games you mentioned are just great! Nice list!