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[Enfeebleness]

EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN
you go ahead and try and prove me wrong you didn't take it into understanding you just took lil bits out and made what i said wrong
this thread needs to be closed
causing a battle that won't be won

I'm not going to take time out of my day to try and understand your magical fantasy story for how everything came to be.

You don't look at Harry Potter and question "Heey, balls can't fly, let me take some time and think about how they got wings attached to them and they fly around!"

Doesn't work like that.

Post something pointing to God being more than a fantasy, with actual valid points making me think "Oh, wait a moment." Then i'll take the time to read it properly and attempt the amazing task of not laughing at it.

[sabbathitman]

I'm not going to take time out of my day to try and understand your magical fantasy story for how everything came to be.

You don't look at Harry Potter and question "Heey, balls can't fly, let me take some time and think about how they got wings attached to them and they fly around!"

Doesn't work like that.

Post something pointing to God being more than a fantasy, with actual valid points making me think "Oh, wait a moment." Then i'll take the time to read it properly and attempt the amazing task of not laughing at it.

XD Balls can fly if you acually think about the design and use the right funtions

[Phase228]

Post something pointing to God being more than a fantasy, with actual valid points making me think "Oh, wait a moment." Then i'll take the time to read it properly and attempt the amazing task of not laughing at it.

i already did.........no point in saying it agian you won't actually read it you have your mind set you won't want to believe even if i gave you a 100% solid proof

[kelat]

You say you have no concrete proof look around you
really think rocks couldv'e been so creative? making such a beutiful planet? i think not

Rocks are made all the time. Lava cooling makes rocks, and lava is made of melted rock. So yes, I do think rocks can be so creative, because it would be a random process anyways.

yes god is a Theory but there is Givien proof of his exsitiance, and there is no proof of the big bang, There are Ideas and Theory for another Theory but after that its just a big OMG WHAT IS IT thing....And something had to had happen, i mean the big bang had to be triggered by something then you come up with some other theory i will throw more guesses,then you will do more till Flyingpiggy or matt comes along and locks this thread and bans one of us for Flaming.

Ok, first sentence. Where is this proof?? I'm not saying it's impossible such evidence could exist, but where is it? I've never seen anything that serves to prove the existence of God. As Victor said, Galaxies are constantly moving apart, which could prove that the universe is expanding, but what caused the expansion in the first place? Well why couldn't the universe start from a single atom? Or something even smaller? A baby starts from a single cell, why shouldn't this apply to the universe?

I am open to reading arguments that constructively counter contrary topics, but sadly, I am seeing very few. I am not looking for a flame war; flaming would consist of off topic insults and criticisms in an obscene manner. Please, just counter the points I / others present in a logical manner.

[Enfeebleness]

i already did.........no point in saying it agian you won't actually read it you have your mind set you won't want to believe even if i gave you a 100% solid proof

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This is what comes up when i push random buttons on the keyboard to come up with gibberish to logical people.

How you managed to do it and make actual sentences, truely amazing.

[sabbathitman]

Rocks are made all the time. Lava cooling makes rocks, and lava is made of melted rock. So yes, I do think rocks can be so creative, because it would be a random process anyways.





Ok, first sentence. Where is this proof?? I'm not saying it's impossible such evidence could exist, but where is it? I've never seen anything that serves to prove the existence of God. As Victor said, Galaxies are constantly moving apart, which could prove that the universe is expanding, but what caused the expansion in the first place? Well why couldn't the universe start from a single atom? Or something even smaller? A baby starts from a single cell, why shouldn't this apply to the universe?

I am open to reading arguments that constructively counter contrary topics, but sadly, I am seeing very few. I am not looking for a flame war; flaming would consist of off topic insults and criticisms in an obscene manner. Please, just counter the points I / others present in a logical manner.

Proof is in the acual History Books just go to a library. recorded history of Jesus christ, Who Told of God and what he had to do to sacrifice as gods son. what was that guy who saved the jews Well He was a follower of god*i dont know alot of people who could call upon a red sea* Jewish and christan are the same religion but with some differnt beliefs. and to the atom thing, Yes but What made the atom? what made the atom of the Atom? What made the Atom Atom Atom? we dont know Nor will Be Ever know, SOme things in time are suppose to stay hidden so we dont mess things up that we already has. You can say God isnt real i can say he is but i know i can change your mind nor you can mine

[kelat]

Ah yes, Jesus was the son of God. Just as easily, I could claim to be the son of God. This does not provide enough proof for me. So Jesus was a prophet. Now, weren't there other prophets to other religions? I'm not just talking about Muhammad and Islam or Moses and his crazy Old Testament God, but prophets of other Polytheistic religions. Are we to say that they represent(ed) false Gods? Are we stating that there is a supreme force that rules all, or that the Christian God is the supreme force as opposed to another religion's God(s), which would be inferior or wrong?

The Bible ultimately does not prove anything. Yes it also serves as a history text, but it still does not prove that a God exists. Thousands and thousands of objects could mention a God or Gods, but that still doesn't mean they are exist.

And to the atom question, one could speculate that sheer energy created this single object in the vast, newly created universe.



Well I have a question about all of this, and I figure some Expert on Christianity could enlighten me. So one of the Ten Commandments was "You shall have no other Gods before me." So why is Jesus worshiped then? He isn't God. Isn't that contrary to the first commandment? I realize he is the Saviour, but he is worshiped like a God, when he isn't God. Even if he is the son of God, isn't that wrong? And what of the Holy Ghost? I have never fully understood this.

[sabbathitman]

Ah yes, Jesus was the son of God. Just as easily, I could claim to be the son of God. This does not provide enough proof for me. So Jesus was a prophet. Now, weren't there other prophets to other religions? I'm not just talking about Muhammad and Islam or Moses and his crazy Old Testament God, but prophets of other Polytheistic religions. Are we to say that they represent(ed) false Gods? Are we stating that there is a supreme force that rules all, or that the Christian God is the supreme force as opposed to another religion's God(s), which would be inferior or wrong?

The Bible ultimately does not prove anything. Yes it also serves as a history text, but it still does not prove that a God exists. Thousands and thousands of objects could mention a God or Gods, but that still doesn't mean they are exist.

And to the atom question, one could speculate that sheer energy created this single object in the vast, newly created universe.



Well I have a question about all of this, and I figure some Expert on Christianity could enlighten me. So one of the Ten Commandments was "You shall have no other Gods before me." So why is Jesus worshiped then? He isn't God. Isn't that contrary to the first commandment? I realize he is the Saviour, but he is worshiped like a God, when he isn't God. Even if he is the son of God, isn't that wrong? And what of the Holy Ghost? I have never fully understood this.

It is believed by some that all the other prophets are connected and that there is a bible to another religion missing, that could clear all the missing piecess to this. and god works in many ways. budah,alpha,beta,omega,or God. And that jesus was called son of god because of what he could do, miracles that no man could do. and if you called yourself son of god, what would do to prove, the reason for god to put his son down here was to save are sins, then what would you be sent down here for.

And i think the bible is mis understood. that the bible was changed from priest in the corrupted time for money and charity.Read a History book to why i say that.

And with the atom thing this will take forever to answer..... what caused the enegry? What made the Enegry? Whats the Source? Answer Those

[kelat]

But why is Jesus worshiped? I realize that he is the Savior, etc. etc., but what of the first Commandment? Isn't that totally counter to it? =/

[sabbathitman]

But why is Jesus worshiped? I realize that he is the Savior, etc. etc., but what of the first Commandment? Isn't that totally counter to it? =/

Jesus is worshiped as a savior not a God, Of course people are goin to priase someone for giving there lifes for someone else all the commandment says is praise no other god, but jesus is just worshiped as a savior for everyone not a lesser god or anything

[Phase228]

But why is Jesus worshiped? I realize that he is the Savior, etc. etc., but what of the first Commandment? Isn't that totally counter to it? =/

Do not have any gods before Me. Do not represent (such gods) by any carved statue or picture or anything in the heaven above or the earth below or in the water below the land. Do not bow down to or worship them."

it says Before him
it's a simple thing
God=Jesus=Holy Spirit
they are all one and yet all three(trinity)
it's hard to explain but thats all i can say

[sabbathitman]

Do not have any gods before Me. Do not represent (such gods) by any carved statue or picture or anything in the heaven above or the earth below or in the water below the land. Do not bow down to or worship them."

it says Before him
it's a simple thing
God=Jesus=Holy Spirit
they are all one and yet all three(trinity)
it's hard to explain but thats all i can say

Ya or that thing

[Phase228]

Ya or that thing

[adam21]

Okay, I just want to say one thing about this whole topic...

Why does this even matter? Why do you want to disprove something that will make no difference whatsoever if you disprove it? (let me guess "Well, it would greatly reduce the idiots in the world and blah blah blah whatever...") I'm not saying that you don't have the right to talk about it, that would be stupid. I just want to state my honest opinion. So, seriously, is it worth your while to ramble on and argue about it? If someone does something that they enjoy doing (this can be anything from, yes, praising their god, to playing WoW) that does not hurt you or make much of a difference in your life whatsoever, why does it matter to correct them? Like, if I were to go to church one day, start to praise, and then come home feeling more excited, happy, lifted-up, whatever, if I come home feeling good or at least better than what I was originally feeling like, why stop doing this? If it makes me feel happy with my life or better about it, what's the problem with doing it? Okay, sure, I may be able to understand flaming some of the people that seem kinda crazy to you (constantly recruiting and just plain being annoying or something), maybe then you'd have some type of a reason to flame them for it. But still, what's it worth to prove them wrong. This whole thing of trying to prove a Christian wrong about God is pointless. You're not going to get anywhere by making someone feel worse about their life or what they believe. Oh, and to be honest, even if you think this is stupid, believing that I may go to Heaven some day is a lot more appealing then just being dead. I don't care if God is real or not, it's a faith. If I didn't want to believe it, I wouldn't. People have a choice to believe. It's their choice. I am not trying to wine about this whole thing, I just really want to know why the heck it's worth it.

[byebyet]

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This is what comes up when i push random buttons on the keyboard to come up with gibberish to logical people.

How you managed to do it and make actual sentences, truely amazing.

lol so much debating between everyone and flaming. Quite an interesting thread, thing is phase manages to say his point actually in a way 'nicer' and more convincing than you sorry